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Do most project managers also double as business analysts?

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Ola Abimbola Project Manager| Trimble Oil and Gas Calgary, Alberta, Canada
I notice from most of the project that I have engaged in that I end up collecting the project requirements and also managing the process of the same with SMEs. In real practice, I have also had to use PMIS to collect, analyze and present data.

So while I have acquired training in business analysis, I sometimes struggle to see its use in real practice (at least on some of the projects I have worked on)
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Ola Abimbola Project Manager| Trimble Oil and Gas Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 11, 2019 12:24 PM
Replying to Bob Thomas
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In all of the Dev shops I've worked in, large and small, that's not been true. Many times the Fickle Finger of Fate points to one BA working on the requirements and they become the anointed PM. Other times, the BA needed help, or left the project and as PM, I had to fill in and get things done to keep to the schedule. Either way, BA skills are highly useful as a PM.
Your point of view is very similar to some of the experiences I have had.
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Ola Abimbola Project Manager| Trimble Oil and Gas Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 11, 2019 12:37 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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@Bob, I lived situations than you stated and others, mainly because when I started as BA the PM perform both roles. So, as my grandmother said "each home is a world unto itself". But please let me say I have the opportunity to be part of role creation working with IIBA and then with the PMI (not role creation in this case and just contributing to standards creation) and no matter that I participated in lot of BA role implementation. When organizations understand that both roles are totally different including the abilities to perform both roles are totally different then the role implementation and its interaction with PM role start to provide benefits. But in the minetime I agree with you that you can find lot of different implementations for the BA role.
From your response, it is quite evident that while the BA and PM specialists know the difference between the two roles and functions, some operating organizations tend to fuse them together, thus the confusion. A lot of organizations advertise the BA role but when you are employed you find out you are actually acting the the capacity of the PM and vise versa..my experience in some cases
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2 replies by Sergio Luis Conte and Stéphane Parent
Dec 11, 2019 1:03 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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In the very begining, myself and others wrote articles about how both roles interacts and performed conferences around the world mainly inside the PMI World Tour. Today, the best description about how both roles interact is inside the PMI´s Practice Guide. (https://www.pmi.org/pmbok-guide-standards/...iness-analysis) mainly inside "Collaboration Points". What you stated is what it changing, in my personal opinion, in the last 5 years. But unfortunatelly to add more confusion a new role is in place: BRM. Just to comment, I am in charge to implement all realted to this type of things in my actual work place.
Dec 11, 2019 1:17 PM
Stéphane Parent
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Business analysis frequently includes work management, especially when you have a team of BAs. This may look a lot like project management. (Check out IIBA's BABOK.)
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Ola Abimbola Project Manager| Trimble Oil and Gas Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 10, 2019 4:24 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Ola -

The roles within a team will be dictated by a company's organization structure and the complexity of the given project. Even in a company where they have defined BA/BSA roles, if the project is small or low complexity, the PM or even Business Owner might perform traditional BA-type work although their acumen might lean more towards gathering requirements than eliciting and analyzing them...

Kiron
I agree with this perspective and that I why I have also come to the conclusion that by and large, the actual definition of these roles are largely based on the way the operating organization interprets them in practice
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 11, 2019 12:52 PM
Replying to Ola Abimbola
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From your response, it is quite evident that while the BA and PM specialists know the difference between the two roles and functions, some operating organizations tend to fuse them together, thus the confusion. A lot of organizations advertise the BA role but when you are employed you find out you are actually acting the the capacity of the PM and vise versa..my experience in some cases
In the very begining, myself and others wrote articles about how both roles interacts and performed conferences around the world mainly inside the PMI World Tour. Today, the best description about how both roles interact is inside the PMI´s Practice Guide. (https://www.pmi.org/pmbok-guide-standards/...iness-analysis) mainly inside "Collaboration Points". What you stated is what it changing, in my personal opinion, in the last 5 years. But unfortunatelly to add more confusion a new role is in place: BRM. Just to comment, I am in charge to implement all realted to this type of things in my actual work place.
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1 reply by Ola Abimbola
Dec 11, 2019 2:52 PM
Ola Abimbola
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hmmm...the so-called specialized arms to the project if not well managed call lead to further confusion, conflicts and duplication of roles. PM vs BA in itself is already one aspect that a lot of orgs still not know the actual difference between the two.

I have read BA job descriptions that make the role suited for a PM and vise versa.
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
Dec 11, 2019 12:52 PM
Replying to Ola Abimbola
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From your response, it is quite evident that while the BA and PM specialists know the difference between the two roles and functions, some operating organizations tend to fuse them together, thus the confusion. A lot of organizations advertise the BA role but when you are employed you find out you are actually acting the the capacity of the PM and vise versa..my experience in some cases
Business analysis frequently includes work management, especially when you have a team of BAs. This may look a lot like project management. (Check out IIBA's BABOK.)
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2 replies by Ola Abimbola
Dec 11, 2019 2:50 PM
Ola Abimbola
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Very true...in practice it is a very thin line at the points of requirements gathering and elicitation, yet that line does exist. What I observe is that most organizations (especially small to mid-served) don't really know the difference.
Dec 11, 2019 2:53 PM
Ola Abimbola
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Same thing with my organization. As a matter of fact, you will function better as a project manager if you have existing BA knowledge. The roles actually do overlap
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Steve Ratkaj Ontario, Canada
The two overlap in our organization as we do not have business analysts in the truest sense.
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Ola Abimbola Project Manager| Trimble Oil and Gas Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 11, 2019 1:17 PM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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Business analysis frequently includes work management, especially when you have a team of BAs. This may look a lot like project management. (Check out IIBA's BABOK.)
Very true...in practice it is a very thin line at the points of requirements gathering and elicitation, yet that line does exist. What I observe is that most organizations (especially small to mid-served) don't really know the difference.
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Ola Abimbola Project Manager| Trimble Oil and Gas Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 11, 2019 1:03 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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In the very begining, myself and others wrote articles about how both roles interacts and performed conferences around the world mainly inside the PMI World Tour. Today, the best description about how both roles interact is inside the PMI´s Practice Guide. (https://www.pmi.org/pmbok-guide-standards/...iness-analysis) mainly inside "Collaboration Points". What you stated is what it changing, in my personal opinion, in the last 5 years. But unfortunatelly to add more confusion a new role is in place: BRM. Just to comment, I am in charge to implement all realted to this type of things in my actual work place.
hmmm...the so-called specialized arms to the project if not well managed call lead to further confusion, conflicts and duplication of roles. PM vs BA in itself is already one aspect that a lot of orgs still not know the actual difference between the two.

I have read BA job descriptions that make the role suited for a PM and vise versa.
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Ola Abimbola Project Manager| Trimble Oil and Gas Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 11, 2019 1:17 PM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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Business analysis frequently includes work management, especially when you have a team of BAs. This may look a lot like project management. (Check out IIBA's BABOK.)
Same thing with my organization. As a matter of fact, you will function better as a project manager if you have existing BA knowledge. The roles actually do overlap
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 10, 2019 6:32 PM
Replying to Alexandre Herrmann
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Hi Abimbola! How are you doing!? Just to clarify... Are you talking about project requirements or product requirements? Must of the time project requirements are set before. Product requirements may be set during the project execution (for example software integration requirements) and in some cases it is done by a project manager. Rgs
@Alexandre, perhaps I did not understand your post but it is just the opposite. Project requirements must be defined from product requirements. PM is accountable for project requirements while BA is accountable for product requirements. That´s because BA role is very important and it is totally different from PM role.
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