I'm assuming you are referring to the martial arts concept of Shu-Ha-Ri which is frequently referenced by agile practitioners including thought leaders like Martin Fowler and Alastair Cockburn?
If so, like all models, I believe there are valuable lessons we can learn from it but the moment we start following it slavishly, we have become template/model/process zombies.
One of the concerns with using it blindly is a team might be at a Shu level for one set of practices but at a Ha or even Ri level for others so there would be no across the board progression for them.
Kiron
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Dec 16, 2019 4:23 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Kiron
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion.
Yes, I was referring to Shu-Ha-Ri which is frequently referred to by agile practitioners including thought leaders like Martin Fowler and Alastair Cockburn
We agree with these concerns that you mentioned
These effects are the same as those pointed out in flow theory.
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dec 15, 2019 4:31 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Luis -
I'm assuming you are referring to the martial arts concept of Shu-Ha-Ri which is frequently referenced by agile practitioners including thought leaders like Martin Fowler and Alastair Cockburn?
If so, like all models, I believe there are valuable lessons we can learn from it but the moment we start following it slavishly, we have become template/model/process zombies.
One of the concerns with using it blindly is a team might be at a Shu level for one set of practices but at a Ha or even Ri level for others so there would be no across the board progression for them.
Kiron
Dear Kiron
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion.
Yes, I was referring to Shu-Ha-Ri which is frequently referred to by agile practitioners including thought leaders like Martin Fowler and Alastair Cockburn
We agree with these concerns that you mentioned
These effects are the same as those pointed out in flow theory. Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
It is known that, when we learn or train in something, we pass through the stages of Shu, Ha, and Ri.
These stages are explained as follows.
In Shu, we repeat the forms and discipline ourselves so that our bodies absorb the forms that our forebears created. We remain faithful to these forms with no deviation.
Next, in the stage of Ha, once we have disciplined ourselves to acquire the forms and movements, we make innovations. In this process the forms may be broken and discarded.
Finally, in Ri, we completely depart from the forms, open the door to creative technique, and arrive in a place where we act in accordance with what our heart/mind desires, unhindered while not overstepping laws Saving Changes...
