Is six sigma knowledge an important asset for Project Managers?
Ola AbimbolaProject Manager| Trimble Oil and GasCalgary, Alberta, Canada
I notice that in most projects, there tends to be a lot of waste within processes especially when the projects are conducted in functional or weak matrix organizations and quality is measured.
Would you say that a six sigma education would make the PM more effective or it will not make any significant difference? Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Ola
In general, any education would add value but in order to invest in what best adds value to your PM, you have to evaluate this objectively. One important factor is the industry you work in: If it's manufacturing, then LSS will add lots of value for sure. On Construction projects on the other hand, it will still add value but not as much if compared for example to Agile, as Agile helps in many ways to improve value and minimize waste.
Hope this makes sense.
RK
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1 reply by Ola Abimbola
Dec 17, 2019 5:33 PM
Ola Abimbola
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I share your views. I possess both Agile and LSS experience and sometimes you find convergences. However I have noticed that the role of LSS has really being undermined.
While Agile tends to focus more on quality from perspective of product requirements, LSS takes it a step further to analyze the voice of the customer from the perspective of Total Quality Management. In other words, LSS is more applicable across processes than Agile which is more bespoke to adaptive methodologies.
Again while LSS is more statistical in nature and analyzes data more accurately to determine root cause, Agile is concentrated more on product requirements based on the requests of the product owner.
I personally believe that when it comes to continuous improvement of processes to eliminate waste, LSS does a whole lot more than Agile
The value of Six Sigma is whether the industry you are in, and the nature of the projects you are involved with can benefit from the data-rich statistical approach. If not, then it's not going to help much.
Lean, on the other hand, is applicable anywhere - while lean thinking originated from manufacturing, it is applicable to ALL types of projects.
Kiron
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1 reply by Ola Abimbola
Dec 17, 2019 5:35 PM
Ola Abimbola
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That is very correct, and that is why the hybrid of Lean and six sigma is gaining ground.
What I wonder is why the role of the Lean Six Sigma Expert is undermined in projects...(or maybe the ones I have worked on so far).
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Ola AbimbolaProject Manager| Trimble Oil and GasCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 17, 2019 5:16 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Ola
In general, any education would add value but in order to invest in what best adds value to your PM, you have to evaluate this objectively. One important factor is the industry you work in: If it's manufacturing, then LSS will add lots of value for sure. On Construction projects on the other hand, it will still add value but not as much if compared for example to Agile, as Agile helps in many ways to improve value and minimize waste.
Hope this makes sense.
RK
I share your views. I possess both Agile and LSS experience and sometimes you find convergences. However I have noticed that the role of LSS has really being undermined.
While Agile tends to focus more on quality from perspective of product requirements, LSS takes it a step further to analyze the voice of the customer from the perspective of Total Quality Management. In other words, LSS is more applicable across processes than Agile which is more bespoke to adaptive methodologies.
Again while LSS is more statistical in nature and analyzes data more accurately to determine root cause, Agile is concentrated more on product requirements based on the requests of the product owner.
I personally believe that when it comes to continuous improvement of processes to eliminate waste, LSS does a whole lot more than Agile
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Dec 18, 2019 1:36 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Ola
I hear your concern and I tend to agree with Kiron's feedback which is in line with mine too.
In an industry like construction, for large projects, using Lean Siz Sigma might not be as beneficial as using Agile-Waterfall Hybrid. On the other hand, using LSS in PMO's or Manufacturing, will be more beneficial.
That being said, again, have LSS knowledge will add value to the PM so to second Kiron's recommendation, I trust Yellow Belt will suffice for the PM's, it cover a fairly decent amount of information.
I personally have Black Belt, but I mosetly benefited from Yellow and Green belts due to the nature of the industry I work in.
RK
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Ola AbimbolaProject Manager| Trimble Oil and GasCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 17, 2019 5:23 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Ola -
The value of Six Sigma is whether the industry you are in, and the nature of the projects you are involved with can benefit from the data-rich statistical approach. If not, then it's not going to help much.
Lean, on the other hand, is applicable anywhere - while lean thinking originated from manufacturing, it is applicable to ALL types of projects.
Kiron
That is very correct, and that is why the hybrid of Lean and six sigma is gaining ground.
What I wonder is why the role of the Lean Six Sigma Expert is undermined in projects...(or maybe the ones I have worked on so far).
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Dec 17, 2019 6:24 PM
Kiron Bondale
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My assumption is that folks who believe that their projects are truly unique would be cynical about any framework which assumes some degree of repeatability. LSS works really well for processes, but when you are dealing with projects, the uniqueness might defeat some of the power of the LSS tools.
That is very correct, and that is why the hybrid of Lean and six sigma is gaining ground.
What I wonder is why the role of the Lean Six Sigma Expert is undermined in projects...(or maybe the ones I have worked on so far).
My assumption is that folks who believe that their projects are truly unique would be cynical about any framework which assumes some degree of repeatability. LSS works really well for processes, but when you are dealing with projects, the uniqueness might defeat some of the power of the LSS tools.
Kiron
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1 reply by Ola Abimbola
Dec 17, 2019 6:46 PM
Ola Abimbola
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How about using some knowledge of LSS to improve the PDCA process during integration management of projects?
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Ola AbimbolaProject Manager| Trimble Oil and GasCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 17, 2019 6:24 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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My assumption is that folks who believe that their projects are truly unique would be cynical about any framework which assumes some degree of repeatability. LSS works really well for processes, but when you are dealing with projects, the uniqueness might defeat some of the power of the LSS tools.
Kiron
How about using some knowledge of LSS to improve the PDCA process during integration management of projects?
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Dec 17, 2019 7:03 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Ola -
I'd definitely feel there is some benefit in having complementary skill sets. One could say the same thing about a PM who possesses BA or UX skills. However, yellow belt level knowledge might be sufficient - would most PMs really benefit from knowing what a 2 Sample T Test is and when to apply it?
How about using some knowledge of LSS to improve the PDCA process during integration management of projects?
Ola -
I'd definitely feel there is some benefit in having complementary skill sets. One could say the same thing about a PM who possesses BA or UX skills. However, yellow belt level knowledge might be sufficient - would most PMs really benefit from knowing what a 2 Sample T Test is and when to apply it?
Kiron
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1 reply by Ola Abimbola
Dec 18, 2019 11:05 AM
Ola Abimbola
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Accuracy and Precision tests are most of the time handed over to the quality team, but for organizations who do not have a well rounded quality team or outsource same, you will find out that a green or black belt will come handy.
As a matter of fact, I will recommend that any team member who is managing Quality and Risk aspects of the project should be LSS trained
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Mark Price PerryBusiness Driven PMO Evangelist| BOT InternationalOrlando, Fl, United States
Ola, very insightful question. Years ago, I was fortunate to have been selected to attend Six Sigma training as part of our company's executive development program. It completely changed my way of thinking about how best to achieve business objectives, build high performance teams, scale the business, and continuously and relentless seek improvement. Hence, it is my conviction that Six Sigma training will make any business person better, including and maybe especially PMs.
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1 reply by Ola Abimbola
Dec 18, 2019 11:09 AM
Ola Abimbola
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I absolutely agree with you. It is until we dive into LSS true applications that we would see the benefits as PMs
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 17, 2019 5:33 PM
Replying to Ola Abimbola
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I share your views. I possess both Agile and LSS experience and sometimes you find convergences. However I have noticed that the role of LSS has really being undermined.
While Agile tends to focus more on quality from perspective of product requirements, LSS takes it a step further to analyze the voice of the customer from the perspective of Total Quality Management. In other words, LSS is more applicable across processes than Agile which is more bespoke to adaptive methodologies.
Again while LSS is more statistical in nature and analyzes data more accurately to determine root cause, Agile is concentrated more on product requirements based on the requests of the product owner.
I personally believe that when it comes to continuous improvement of processes to eliminate waste, LSS does a whole lot more than Agile
Ola
I hear your concern and I tend to agree with Kiron's feedback which is in line with mine too.
In an industry like construction, for large projects, using Lean Siz Sigma might not be as beneficial as using Agile-Waterfall Hybrid. On the other hand, using LSS in PMO's or Manufacturing, will be more beneficial.
That being said, again, have LSS knowledge will add value to the PM so to second Kiron's recommendation, I trust Yellow Belt will suffice for the PM's, it cover a fairly decent amount of information.
I personally have Black Belt, but I mosetly benefited from Yellow and Green belts due to the nature of the industry I work in.
RK
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1 reply by Ola Abimbola
Dec 18, 2019 11:08 AM
Ola Abimbola
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I don't think that the intention is for LSS to take over the role of PM, rather it should be a complementary effort to improving quality. Even in construction, waste is common. As a civil engineering graduate, I can tell you that LSS will assist a project manager in that sphere to avoid waste (both process and material). JIT principles that we use in PM are more pronounced methodologies birthed from the LSS concepts
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Casey DayAuthor | thevideogameproducer.comSan Diego, Ca, United States
I have a question to go along with this.
I have done basic lean six sigma training in the military and the main concept that stuck with me was to reduce the waste of motion. The example to us is the placement of tools or personnel in a work area. Making sure that tools and near by workstations so that personnel doesn't need to walk 10 feet to grab something.
I have tried to apply these principles with the teams I work with. Making sure that the design and concept teams sit near each other (in my situation they work a lot together). Or trying to place my work area between the multiple teams I work with. Having the printer near the teams that use it the most etc.
I have tried to apply this to the tools that we use. How many clicks does it take to create a Jira ticket, assign it to an employee, get it started, approved, and closed? If I am setting up project structure within a tool like Jira how do I ensure it's organized for the team to find tasks in the least amount of clicks?
Since my examples are related to process would they be considered PMO activities I saw mentioned early that LSS is useful for?
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Dec 18, 2019 4:08 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Casey
Interesting your reflection
Thanks for sharing