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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
In construction and manufacturing duration of most activities depends on volume (quantity) of work to be done measured in physical units (meters, tons, pieces)..
When assigned resources productivity becomes known activity duration is calculated.
Most norms and estimates are applied to the volumes and volume units like unit costs, material requirements per volume unit, resource productivity as volume per hour, etc.
We plan volumes, we measure volumes, and changing volumes (for example entering actual data) we automatically change all corresponding data (remaining activity duration, cost, material consumption) for scheduling and budgeting of remaining works.
We calculate project schedules and budgets basing on activity volumes.

People frequently ask me why and how project managers schedule and manage their projects using tools that do not use volumes as one of activity properties?
Do you know an answer to this simple question?
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Peter Rapin Subject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent Consultant Ontario, Canada
I do not know that PMs do not use 'volume' or 'quantity' as one of their considerations in scheduling and cost management. How many resources? How many square meters per unit of resources? How many total units? Etc. However, I do worry about the sole consideration of quantity as a basis for measurement as this does not necessarily represent value or effectiveness. Somehow we have to be able to plan based on 'value' rather than quantity of the work or effort. 100 hours of engineering is not necessarily ten times better than 10 hours of engineering, 20 drawings are not necessarily better than 12 drawings, 1000 labour-hours are not necessarily better than 750 labour-hours - it depends on what you achieved.
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1 reply by Vladimir Liberzon
Dec 18, 2019 11:23 AM
Vladimir Liberzon
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Hi Peter!
Value and Quality may be considered as success criteria but for planning purposes we need to estimate future works cost and duration that directly depend on the volumes of work to be done.
How many resources depends on planned volumes, how many square meters per unit of resources depend on resource productivity (another parameter absent in most packages), required material quantities depend on the volumes.
Calculating project schedule basing on values is new to me. Please explain what do you mean.
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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
Dec 18, 2019 10:42 AM
Replying to Peter Rapin
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I do not know that PMs do not use 'volume' or 'quantity' as one of their considerations in scheduling and cost management. How many resources? How many square meters per unit of resources? How many total units? Etc. However, I do worry about the sole consideration of quantity as a basis for measurement as this does not necessarily represent value or effectiveness. Somehow we have to be able to plan based on 'value' rather than quantity of the work or effort. 100 hours of engineering is not necessarily ten times better than 10 hours of engineering, 20 drawings are not necessarily better than 12 drawings, 1000 labour-hours are not necessarily better than 750 labour-hours - it depends on what you achieved.
Hi Peter!
Value and Quality may be considered as success criteria but for planning purposes we need to estimate future works cost and duration that directly depend on the volumes of work to be done.
How many resources depends on planned volumes, how many square meters per unit of resources depend on resource productivity (another parameter absent in most packages), required material quantities depend on the volumes.
Calculating project schedule basing on values is new to me. Please explain what do you mean.
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1 reply by Peter Rapin
Dec 18, 2019 12:44 PM
Peter Rapin
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I am not saying that one should schedule based on value only. What I am saying is that during the planning exercise that one recognizes that volume isn't the only consideration. One has to be conscience of effectiveness - is there a better way? If our records show that a 10,000 sq m building takes four month to deliver, do we accept that as gospel or do we look at options/alternatives/innovative approaches? Volume/quantity is important but not the only factor. Maybe the 10,000 sq m specified should be open to review. Can we deliver a more effective footprint? The objective is not to deliver the building but meet the functional requirements which happens to include a building.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
I can talk for lot of industries but I will put on the table one industry that is a classic on the matter because the intagibility of the product: software. There is a lot of work done from 1956 up to date about how to calculate what you stated in other industries. All that work has been proved along the years and is widely used including other industries has taken it to make estimations (and I use it in other industries). You can take a look to some work like Barry Bohem´s "Software Engineering Economics " or Putnam, Lawrence H.; Ware Myers "Measures for excellence : reliable software On time, within budget.". I hope I answered your question which is very interesting.
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1 reply by Vladimir Liberzon
Dec 18, 2019 12:53 PM
Vladimir Liberzon
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Hi Sergio,
in the first lines of my first post I wrote that my question is addressed to participants of construction and manufacturing projects.
I know that it is hard to measure and quantify many software development activities but not all. Any development includes testing, documentation development and other activities that can be measured. I remember attempts to apply function points as the way to measure volumes of software development activities.
Software development project consists of some activities that is hard to measure (creating complex algorithms as an example) and a lot of routine activities. Assigning resources and estimating activity duration you take into account assigned resource productivity. The volume of these typical activities may be measured different ways. I already mentioned function points, another more simple way just to set standard man-hours. Basing on their skills resources may have different productivity (like 0.9 or 1.2) and expected duration will become known after resource assignment.
It is an interesting topic but I tried to make my post and discussion simple and so addressed my question to construction and manufacturing managers who manage projects with easily measurable volumes.
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Peter Rapin Subject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent Consultant Ontario, Canada
Dec 18, 2019 11:23 AM
Replying to Vladimir Liberzon
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Hi Peter!
Value and Quality may be considered as success criteria but for planning purposes we need to estimate future works cost and duration that directly depend on the volumes of work to be done.
How many resources depends on planned volumes, how many square meters per unit of resources depend on resource productivity (another parameter absent in most packages), required material quantities depend on the volumes.
Calculating project schedule basing on values is new to me. Please explain what do you mean.
I am not saying that one should schedule based on value only. What I am saying is that during the planning exercise that one recognizes that volume isn't the only consideration. One has to be conscience of effectiveness - is there a better way? If our records show that a 10,000 sq m building takes four month to deliver, do we accept that as gospel or do we look at options/alternatives/innovative approaches? Volume/quantity is important but not the only factor. Maybe the 10,000 sq m specified should be open to review. Can we deliver a more effective footprint? The objective is not to deliver the building but meet the functional requirements which happens to include a building.
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1 reply by Vladimir Liberzon
Dec 18, 2019 1:11 PM
Vladimir Liberzon
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Yes, Peter, I agree that it is profitable to select an option that maximizes project success criteria, the best way to do project job or produce the best product.
But selected option is a project that consists of many (thousands) activities, most of which have volumes of work to be done and duration that depends on assigned resources productivity.
Volume is an activity property, I did not mean project information (like square meters of the building or the length of the bridge).
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Wade Harshman Scrum Master| GDIT Indianapolis, In, United States
This seems like a question of details.

Lets say you, the project manager, have plans for a building that requires 10,000 bricks. You have a fair idea when the foundation and framing will be done, and you call the masonry union to schedule the workers needed to lay the bricks. Their foreman is likely going to check your estimates, ensuring that you really need 10,000 bricks and adding a percentage for waste. That foreman is going to count the bricks- not each individual brick, but he'll know how many are in a stack and how many are in a wall. The foreman will be able to tell you how many bricks have been placed and how many remain. He'll probably also track the number of masons and laborers available, and he'll know which people are fast and which are slow. The foreman will also keep an eye on the weather. All this will be considered to tell you, the project manager, when to expect the masonry to be complete, plus the time it takes to remove equipment.

Do you, the project manager, really care how many bricks are on site? Probably not. You're probably tracking % completion, but you're not counting bricks. That's not your expertise, and unless you're the foreman, you probably don't know how to turn that number into an estimate. It's a level of detail that's meaningless at your level. What you really care about time, expense, and quality. When will the bricks be finished on the North wall so we can start installing windows? Are we within budget? Do we have reserves? Are we cutting corners that the new building owners will reject?

So tracking those "volumes" is being done, but probably not at your level and probably not in your project plan. And above you is the customer, who doesn't care about your project problems. She simply wants to know when she can occupy the building.
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1 reply by Vladimir Liberzon
Dec 18, 2019 1:38 PM
Vladimir Liberzon
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Hi Wade,
in your example the foreman estimated volume of work and basing on resource availability and productivity calculated activity duration, added contingency reserve and gave project manager the results of his calculations.
Our projects usually consist of many interdependent jobs and we need to create project schedules and estimate project budgets well before many types of work will start. Our contractors estimate project cost before the contract is signed and so they schedule future projects basing on their resources capabilities, productivity and availability, volumes of work to be done, material and equipment costs, etc. to prepare their proposals.
Just imagine that your initial estimates of masonry union cost and duration was not good and foreman asked for more time and money than you expected. It is not safe to rely on fair ideas.
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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
Dec 18, 2019 12:22 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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I can talk for lot of industries but I will put on the table one industry that is a classic on the matter because the intagibility of the product: software. There is a lot of work done from 1956 up to date about how to calculate what you stated in other industries. All that work has been proved along the years and is widely used including other industries has taken it to make estimations (and I use it in other industries). You can take a look to some work like Barry Bohem´s "Software Engineering Economics " or Putnam, Lawrence H.; Ware Myers "Measures for excellence : reliable software On time, within budget.". I hope I answered your question which is very interesting.
Hi Sergio,
in the first lines of my first post I wrote that my question is addressed to participants of construction and manufacturing projects.
I know that it is hard to measure and quantify many software development activities but not all. Any development includes testing, documentation development and other activities that can be measured. I remember attempts to apply function points as the way to measure volumes of software development activities.
Software development project consists of some activities that is hard to measure (creating complex algorithms as an example) and a lot of routine activities. Assigning resources and estimating activity duration you take into account assigned resource productivity. The volume of these typical activities may be measured different ways. I already mentioned function points, another more simple way just to set standard man-hours. Basing on their skills resources may have different productivity (like 0.9 or 1.2) and expected duration will become known after resource assignment.
It is an interesting topic but I tried to make my post and discussion simple and so addressed my question to construction and manufacturing managers who manage projects with easily measurable volumes.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Dec 18, 2019 4:15 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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I did not undersand that in your original post.
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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
Dec 18, 2019 12:44 PM
Replying to Peter Rapin
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I am not saying that one should schedule based on value only. What I am saying is that during the planning exercise that one recognizes that volume isn't the only consideration. One has to be conscience of effectiveness - is there a better way? If our records show that a 10,000 sq m building takes four month to deliver, do we accept that as gospel or do we look at options/alternatives/innovative approaches? Volume/quantity is important but not the only factor. Maybe the 10,000 sq m specified should be open to review. Can we deliver a more effective footprint? The objective is not to deliver the building but meet the functional requirements which happens to include a building.
Yes, Peter, I agree that it is profitable to select an option that maximizes project success criteria, the best way to do project job or produce the best product.
But selected option is a project that consists of many (thousands) activities, most of which have volumes of work to be done and duration that depends on assigned resources productivity.
Volume is an activity property, I did not mean project information (like square meters of the building or the length of the bridge).
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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
Dec 18, 2019 12:49 PM
Replying to Wade Harshman
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This seems like a question of details.

Lets say you, the project manager, have plans for a building that requires 10,000 bricks. You have a fair idea when the foundation and framing will be done, and you call the masonry union to schedule the workers needed to lay the bricks. Their foreman is likely going to check your estimates, ensuring that you really need 10,000 bricks and adding a percentage for waste. That foreman is going to count the bricks- not each individual brick, but he'll know how many are in a stack and how many are in a wall. The foreman will be able to tell you how many bricks have been placed and how many remain. He'll probably also track the number of masons and laborers available, and he'll know which people are fast and which are slow. The foreman will also keep an eye on the weather. All this will be considered to tell you, the project manager, when to expect the masonry to be complete, plus the time it takes to remove equipment.

Do you, the project manager, really care how many bricks are on site? Probably not. You're probably tracking % completion, but you're not counting bricks. That's not your expertise, and unless you're the foreman, you probably don't know how to turn that number into an estimate. It's a level of detail that's meaningless at your level. What you really care about time, expense, and quality. When will the bricks be finished on the North wall so we can start installing windows? Are we within budget? Do we have reserves? Are we cutting corners that the new building owners will reject?

So tracking those "volumes" is being done, but probably not at your level and probably not in your project plan. And above you is the customer, who doesn't care about your project problems. She simply wants to know when she can occupy the building.
Hi Wade,
in your example the foreman estimated volume of work and basing on resource availability and productivity calculated activity duration, added contingency reserve and gave project manager the results of his calculations.
Our projects usually consist of many interdependent jobs and we need to create project schedules and estimate project budgets well before many types of work will start. Our contractors estimate project cost before the contract is signed and so they schedule future projects basing on their resources capabilities, productivity and availability, volumes of work to be done, material and equipment costs, etc. to prepare their proposals.
Just imagine that your initial estimates of masonry union cost and duration was not good and foreman asked for more time and money than you expected. It is not safe to rely on fair ideas.
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1 reply by Wade Harshman
Dec 19, 2019 8:03 AM
Wade Harshman
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Let me clarify, I'm not suggesting that a project manager should avoid contracts. I'm responding to the question of why the project manager doesn't consider volumes. My long answer is that volume IS being considered at the appropriate level. In my hypothetical scenario, the project manager does not have the expertise to look at a pile of bricks and calculate a completion date, which is what the building owner wants to know. The masons are looking at the volume of bricks, as well as other factors, to determine % complete and estimated date of completion. The project manager factors these updates into the project plan to estimate the final completion date.

I could say the same thing about other types of projects. I can't estimate the amount of code a software team needs to write nor estimate the amount of time it will take to write that code, but the development team can. The point is that volumes are considered. But by itself, the quantity of raw material is not a meaningful metric until it is converted into an estimate by an expert. That is why we rarely see it as a property of work activities.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 18, 2019 12:53 PM
Replying to Vladimir Liberzon
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Hi Sergio,
in the first lines of my first post I wrote that my question is addressed to participants of construction and manufacturing projects.
I know that it is hard to measure and quantify many software development activities but not all. Any development includes testing, documentation development and other activities that can be measured. I remember attempts to apply function points as the way to measure volumes of software development activities.
Software development project consists of some activities that is hard to measure (creating complex algorithms as an example) and a lot of routine activities. Assigning resources and estimating activity duration you take into account assigned resource productivity. The volume of these typical activities may be measured different ways. I already mentioned function points, another more simple way just to set standard man-hours. Basing on their skills resources may have different productivity (like 0.9 or 1.2) and expected duration will become known after resource assignment.
It is an interesting topic but I tried to make my post and discussion simple and so addressed my question to construction and manufacturing managers who manage projects with easily measurable volumes.
I did not undersand that in your original post.
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1 reply by Vladimir Liberzon
Dec 18, 2019 5:20 PM
Vladimir Liberzon
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I am sorry. I should better formulate my question.
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Abdelhamid CHELGHOUM Project construction manager | Sonatrach group Batna, Batna, Algeria
Dear Valdimir,
Not sure to understand exactly the question, but as I know all the calculations are used by softwares using mesure unit based also on productivities standards/ expert judgement too
thanks
Hamid
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2 replies by Abdelhamid CHELGHOUM and Vladimir Liberzon
Dec 18, 2019 5:14 PM
Vladimir Liberzon
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Hi Hamid,
Oracle Primavera P6 and Microsoft Project do not have Volume and Productivity fields and so do not use them in project scheduling and reporting.
Dec 19, 2019 12:28 AM
Abdelhamid CHELGHOUM
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Hi Vladimir,
Primavera and Ms project are the most used in the oil and gas industry, however our guys are collecting info during the construction to update the actuel scheduel, this means they are collecting quantities achieved, I will check than let you know what we do here.
Thanks
Hamid
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