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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
In construction and manufacturing duration of most activities depends on volume (quantity) of work to be done measured in physical units (meters, tons, pieces)..
When assigned resources productivity becomes known activity duration is calculated.
Most norms and estimates are applied to the volumes and volume units like unit costs, material requirements per volume unit, resource productivity as volume per hour, etc.
We plan volumes, we measure volumes, and changing volumes (for example entering actual data) we automatically change all corresponding data (remaining activity duration, cost, material consumption) for scheduling and budgeting of remaining works.
We calculate project schedules and budgets basing on activity volumes.

People frequently ask me why and how project managers schedule and manage their projects using tools that do not use volumes as one of activity properties?
Do you know an answer to this simple question?
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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
Dec 18, 2019 4:27 PM
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Dear Valdimir,
Not sure to understand exactly the question, but as I know all the calculations are used by softwares using mesure unit based also on productivities standards/ expert judgement too
thanks
Hamid
Hi Hamid,
Oracle Primavera P6 and Microsoft Project do not have Volume and Productivity fields and so do not use them in project scheduling and reporting.
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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
Dec 18, 2019 4:15 PM
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I did not undersand that in your original post.
I am sorry. I should better formulate my question.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Dec 19, 2019 6:05 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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No problem Vladimir. I worked in the construction and manufacturing project including today but there is no complexity to estimate things in those domains due to there are a well stabished, well porven theory that belongs to investigation of operations which is part of my academic and professional background.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Vladimir

In the construction industry, which is slightly different than the manufacturing industry in terms of how cost and duration estimates are established, we take many factors into consideration:

- Project Complexity (Type, Height, Soil, Design, etc)
- Project Location
- Trades Availability
- Material Availability and Long Lead Items ETA
- Skills Availability
- Working Hours / Days
- Climate
- Volume of Work and Unit

Volume of work, is one factor among many others. Some items are not quantifiable at the outset of the project but we do have historical data and we base off our estimates based on similar projects, if not available, we used industry local numbers (i.e. $/sq.ft) then we refine the estimates as we go.

Hope this helps.

RK
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1 reply by Vladimir Liberzon
Dec 19, 2019 4:57 AM
Vladimir Liberzon
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Hi Rami,
yes, volume of work is one of many factors but it determines activity duration and cost.
We can rely on the historical data and create own internal reference-books with unit costs, material requirements per volume units, resource productivity for typical work types, or use industry standards that determine the same parameters and calculate activity duration, cost, material requirements basing on volume of work to be done.
Volume of work is an initial information that is used for calculating activity duration and cost when resource crew assigned to an activity is known.
So it is natural to calculate project schedules, enter actual data and analyze project performance basing on volumes of work done and remained.
My question is about the way volumes of work are managed when the software does not have special fields for volumes of work, resource productivity, unit costs and material requirements, etc.

Best Regards,
VL
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Abdelhamid CHELGHOUM Project construction manager | Sonatrach group Batna, Batna, Algeria
Dec 18, 2019 4:27 PM
Replying to Abdelhamid CHELGHOUM
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Dear Valdimir,
Not sure to understand exactly the question, but as I know all the calculations are used by softwares using mesure unit based also on productivities standards/ expert judgement too
thanks
Hamid
Hi Vladimir,
Primavera and Ms project are the most used in the oil and gas industry, however our guys are collecting info during the construction to update the actuel scheduel, this means they are collecting quantities achieved, I will check than let you know what we do here.
Thanks
Hamid
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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
Thank you Hamid,
I expect that they collect quantities but then they transfer them to percents complete for entering into the software.
I will wait for your info.
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dear Vladimir
Interesting your question
Thanks for sharing

My reflection will only focus on projects whose development approach is predictive (consider that it is only an opinion on the subject)

The scope of the project includes:
- Statement of Scope
- WBS
- WBS Dictionary

The lowest level of WBS is the work package.
The WBS Dictionary contains a description of the activities to deliver the work package.

When analyzing the resources and people to carry out the work package delivery activities we can convert them to physical units

Optimization can be performed when analyzing the schedule network.

As process and management technology, support technology and materials evolve at a very high rate, it is preferable to analyze project by project the activities to be developed, the duration, the deliverables to be made.

It is possible to collect data from other projects using, in the case of construction, BIM
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1 reply by Vladimir Liberzon
Dec 19, 2019 7:44 AM
Vladimir Liberzon
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Dear Luis,
Volumes of work are defined at activity level and represent an initial information on project activities (how many meters, tons, pieces shall be done). When resources assigned for activity execution and their productivities are known it is possible to calculate activity duration and other parameters. Using internal or industry norms that usually are applied to volume units of certain types of activities it is possible to get objective estimates of activity duration and cost if activity volume is known.
Other ways of activity and cost estimation are subjective and not reliable.
Optimization is performed when the project is scheduled taking into account all existing constraints.
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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
Dec 18, 2019 5:25 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Vladimir

In the construction industry, which is slightly different than the manufacturing industry in terms of how cost and duration estimates are established, we take many factors into consideration:

- Project Complexity (Type, Height, Soil, Design, etc)
- Project Location
- Trades Availability
- Material Availability and Long Lead Items ETA
- Skills Availability
- Working Hours / Days
- Climate
- Volume of Work and Unit

Volume of work, is one factor among many others. Some items are not quantifiable at the outset of the project but we do have historical data and we base off our estimates based on similar projects, if not available, we used industry local numbers (i.e. $/sq.ft) then we refine the estimates as we go.

Hope this helps.

RK
Hi Rami,
yes, volume of work is one of many factors but it determines activity duration and cost.
We can rely on the historical data and create own internal reference-books with unit costs, material requirements per volume units, resource productivity for typical work types, or use industry standards that determine the same parameters and calculate activity duration, cost, material requirements basing on volume of work to be done.
Volume of work is an initial information that is used for calculating activity duration and cost when resource crew assigned to an activity is known.
So it is natural to calculate project schedules, enter actual data and analyze project performance basing on volumes of work done and remained.
My question is about the way volumes of work are managed when the software does not have special fields for volumes of work, resource productivity, unit costs and material requirements, etc.

Best Regards,
VL
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2 replies by Rami Kaibni
Dec 19, 2019 1:58 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Hi Vladimir

Now I got what you're exactly asking about, thanks for elaboration.

Before I get into your question, I would like to clarify one thing: Yes, the volume of work determine the activity duration and cost, but not on its own. I will give you an simple example:

Let's assume I have a 100 sq.m of wall to paint and normally it takes 2 Hours / sq.m for prime coat and the cost is $50/Hour/Labor - I can't just directly go and say I will assign 1 Labor to do the job and calculate:

Activity Duration: 100 sq.m x 2 Hours = 200 Hours / 8 Hours / Day = 25 Days.

Cost = 200 x $50 = $10,000

There are lots of factors that are involved:

Labor Availability, Working Hours, Climate, Material Availability - I have to look at the holistic view as those items can't be ignored because they will could impose risk and affect the duration and cost if for example if its winter, it might take more time for the paint to dry, or if the material is long lead item, or there is labor shortage, or there are holidays. That's how we come to a reasonable estimate that has built-in contingencies.

Now coming to your question: I worked with an International Company overseas for 10 years on very large jobs ($300 Mil and above) and tracking productivity was very crucial. We had an in-house program called Pyramid that takes data from Primavera and has additional parameters to track progress, productivity, unit costs, Manhours and so on. Of course, the outcome from the program is as good as the data reported from the site so one needs to ensure the reporting is genuine and actual for the outcome to be reliable.

Currently, I work in a smaller size consulting company and I do track those parameters using an excel sheet that I developed that suits our needs as a consulting company.

Those are the two ways that I've encountered throughout my career to track those parameters you are referring to.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
RK
Dec 19, 2019 2:05 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Vladimir

This might be a bit off topic, but I published an article in the past on how to improve productivity on projects. Here is the link if you are interested to go through it:

https://www.projectmanagement.com/articles...ity-on-Projects

The ad placement is a bit off but it will be fixed.

RK
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Daire Guiney Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
The term Volume or Quantity in relation to work done to date or work to be completed by a specific time line is ambiguous in nature and on any project documentation this metric is always a best estimate in order to complete a specific task or deliverable. The reason for this is based on the level of skill and experience available to you that exists to you on the project team. So when you talk about Quantity, no matter how precise your quantity surveyor is in relation to the likely construction cost of a project, the final tally will be a estimate of the total cost. So having a metric that is based on estimations as an active property means that all other metrics that are dependent on this metric would be out by an increasing margin of error depending on the initial estimate for quantity. Most projects start with some fixed metric of certainty such as allocated budget, project team numbers, time given to complete project or contingency budget and work from their with everything else stemming from these certainties being an estimate, even if original budget, team size, timeline or contingency budget changes in the meantime.
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2 replies by Daire Guiney and Vladimir Liberzon
Dec 19, 2019 7:57 AM
Vladimir Liberzon
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Dear Daire,
volume of work is objective information that can be measured correctly in physical units (length, wheight, etc.). The level of skill and experience may define productivity of resources assigned to do the work.
Project budget shall be calculated, allocated budget and time given to complete the project shall be taken into account when project resources are planned. Project planning may result in understanding that allocated budget and time frame are not realistic if they were defined before calculations.
Dec 20, 2019 6:50 AM
Daire Guiney
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Vladimir,

It seems to me that you are approaching project management in a very logical and mathematical way where X in equals X out. It seems that you are trying to put a project management methodology into an equation that will fit in all project management scenarios and all you have to do is just plug in the numbers turn the crank and outcomes your complete approach to a specific project. Unfortunately this approach has been looked at before and as each project is a unique set of variables even if repeated like for like you will still get a different outcome. A key skills for a project manager is communication and this is because not everything will go to plan not matter how well thought out an approach is as a project manager needs this skill to relay to people the reason why something has not gone to plan, modifications that need to be made and lessons learned as a result to all relevant parties involved with project.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 18, 2019 5:20 PM
Replying to Vladimir Liberzon
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I am sorry. I should better formulate my question.
No problem Vladimir. I worked in the construction and manufacturing project including today but there is no complexity to estimate things in those domains due to there are a well stabished, well porven theory that belongs to investigation of operations which is part of my academic and professional background.
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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
Dec 19, 2019 4:00 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Vladimir
Interesting your question
Thanks for sharing

My reflection will only focus on projects whose development approach is predictive (consider that it is only an opinion on the subject)

The scope of the project includes:
- Statement of Scope
- WBS
- WBS Dictionary

The lowest level of WBS is the work package.
The WBS Dictionary contains a description of the activities to deliver the work package.

When analyzing the resources and people to carry out the work package delivery activities we can convert them to physical units

Optimization can be performed when analyzing the schedule network.

As process and management technology, support technology and materials evolve at a very high rate, it is preferable to analyze project by project the activities to be developed, the duration, the deliverables to be made.

It is possible to collect data from other projects using, in the case of construction, BIM
Dear Luis,
Volumes of work are defined at activity level and represent an initial information on project activities (how many meters, tons, pieces shall be done). When resources assigned for activity execution and their productivities are known it is possible to calculate activity duration and other parameters. Using internal or industry norms that usually are applied to volume units of certain types of activities it is possible to get objective estimates of activity duration and cost if activity volume is known.
Other ways of activity and cost estimation are subjective and not reliable.
Optimization is performed when the project is scheduled taking into account all existing constraints.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Dec 20, 2019 6:56 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Vladimir
A few years ago there were in Portugal the Technical Tables which was a kind of Bible for the Construction where estimates were made
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