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What do you prefer between PMI-ACP and Scrum Master?

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Pravin Kumar Shrivastava Associate Vice President| Aithent Technologies Pvt Ltd Gurgaon, Haryana, India
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RAJON BANERJEE Kalyani, District: Nadia, West Bengal, India
Hi Pravin,

I am already in process to complete PMI-ACP.

I prefer PMI-ACP because it's a whole & vivid concept in AGILE environment.

Scrum is a well known key of AGILE methodology. But there are plenty of other methodologies in AGILE also available.

Some of are given in below:

•Scrum
•Extreme Programming or XP
•Crystal
•Dynamic System Development Methodology or DSDM Atern
•Feature Driven Development or FDD
•Agile Project Management or APM
•Lean Kanban
•OpenUp.

Another one thing is that PMI value. By considering this I have taken the decision to complete PMI-ACP.

Thanks,
Rajon
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Dec 27, 2019 2:40 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Rajon

Good feedback but I would like to highlight / comment on two things you mentioned:

1- Agile is not a Methodology, it is a mindset.

2- Agile Project Management doesn’t fall under Agile as a methodology. It is actually the Agile or Adaptive Approach itself.

RK
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 27, 2019 2:07 AM
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Hi Pravin,

I am already in process to complete PMI-ACP.

I prefer PMI-ACP because it's a whole & vivid concept in AGILE environment.

Scrum is a well known key of AGILE methodology. But there are plenty of other methodologies in AGILE also available.

Some of are given in below:

•Scrum
•Extreme Programming or XP
•Crystal
•Dynamic System Development Methodology or DSDM Atern
•Feature Driven Development or FDD
•Agile Project Management or APM
•Lean Kanban
•OpenUp.

Another one thing is that PMI value. By considering this I have taken the decision to complete PMI-ACP.

Thanks,
Rajon
Rajon

Good feedback but I would like to highlight / comment on two things you mentioned:

1- Agile is not a Methodology, it is a mindset.

2- Agile Project Management doesn’t fall under Agile as a methodology. It is actually the Agile or Adaptive Approach itself.

RK
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2 replies by RAJON BANERJEE and Sergio Luis Conte
Dec 27, 2019 3:08 AM
RAJON BANERJEE
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Hi Rami,

You are absolutely 100% correct. It's a mindset to adopt adaptive & incremental balance.

Many thanks for correction.

Thanks,
Rajon
Dec 27, 2019 4:36 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Rami, Agile is not a mindset. Agile, by definition, is a way of thinking and behave with focus in client, value and quality. People think that is a mindset because somebody stated that and the PMI took that definition. The person who stated that created it making a deduction from the Manifesto for Agile Software Development. The Agile definition implies that organizational architecture must be taken into account. If people go to 1990 definitions then they will see the reference architecture plus other things related to that.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Pravin

I personally would recommend PMI-ACP as is it more comprehensive and you will get exposure of the different frameworks like Scrum, DSDM, XP, Kanban and many others.

Scrum is a great framework, yet, it is somehow limited to the Development Stage and it’s great for software development, though it can be used in other applications for sure.

Moreover, you might want to check the below past discussion threads that revolves around the same subject, and I am sure you will find some valuable info there:

https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...ed-your-advice-

https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...one-to-PMI-ACP-

Hope this helps.

RK
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RAJON BANERJEE Kalyani, District: Nadia, West Bengal, India
Dec 27, 2019 2:40 AM
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Rajon

Good feedback but I would like to highlight / comment on two things you mentioned:

1- Agile is not a Methodology, it is a mindset.

2- Agile Project Management doesn’t fall under Agile as a methodology. It is actually the Agile or Adaptive Approach itself.

RK
Hi Rami,

You are absolutely 100% correct. It's a mindset to adopt adaptive & incremental balance.

Many thanks for correction.

Thanks,
Rajon
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Dec 27, 2019 3:12 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Rajon

You’re very welcome and thank you.

RK
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Rami Kaibni
Community Champion
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 27, 2019 3:08 AM
Replying to RAJON BANERJEE
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Hi Rami,

You are absolutely 100% correct. It's a mindset to adopt adaptive & incremental balance.

Many thanks for correction.

Thanks,
Rajon
Rajon

You’re very welcome and thank you.

RK
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dear Pravin
Interesting your question
Thanks for sharing

Are different
PMI-ACP is an umbrella approach under which we can place (as noted by Rajon) a large number of methodologies and / or tools, including Scrum

Regarding the comparative value of the two certifications, I am not the right person to make an assessment.
I believe there are more Scrum Master certified people than PMI-ACP

Speaking of Mindset
I only know two :-):
- Fixed Mindset
- Growth Mindset
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 27, 2019 2:40 AM
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Rajon

Good feedback but I would like to highlight / comment on two things you mentioned:

1- Agile is not a Methodology, it is a mindset.

2- Agile Project Management doesn’t fall under Agile as a methodology. It is actually the Agile or Adaptive Approach itself.

RK
Rami, Agile is not a mindset. Agile, by definition, is a way of thinking and behave with focus in client, value and quality. People think that is a mindset because somebody stated that and the PMI took that definition. The person who stated that created it making a deduction from the Manifesto for Agile Software Development. The Agile definition implies that organizational architecture must be taken into account. If people go to 1990 definitions then they will see the reference architecture plus other things related to that.
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Dec 27, 2019 11:57 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Sergio

Thanks for your elaboration. What you actually mentioned above “ is a way of thinking and behave” is actually the definition of a Mindset.

I do not normally take what others mention blindly so it’s not because PMI mentioned it’s a mindset, I am saying it is a mindset. I truly believe it is.

Being Agile itself, in my opinion, is a mindset. Agile Management probably includes all definitions you mentioned.

RK
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
I have two certifications: PMI-ACP and Agile Project Trainer and Coach (AgilePM, AgilePgM, AgilePF, AgileBA) which is especific for DSDM. PMI-ACP is generalistic, cover all the software related methods/frameworks. The second ones is specific for DSDM. I got the second one long time ago where few, close to zero, certifications in domain gield exists (in fact the name was different). In my line of thinking I get a certification after making my own estimation of future market demands. The "problem" I see with Scrum certifications is: 1-there are lot of options. 2-the certification has no consistence becuase is an invention based on a 39 pages document which is the Scrum Guide. No matter that, if you see that the market demands justify that, go for it.
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
I see also a difference in the effort and engagement that is required to obtain the certificate. Sitting in a 2 day workshop will not change the understanding of most. Diving deep in the principles required for e.g. PMP or ACP over some weeks or months indeed may create some new insights. Saw that happen many times.

And then if you apply the insights to real life you gain experience, which in turn is required for some certifications.
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Drew Craig Sr. Agile & Product Coach| Vanguard Philadelphia, Pa, United States
They are different certifications that test different areas of knowledge. A Scrum Master certification is just that, specific to the role of Scrum Master. The PMI-ACP is more of a generalized Agile Practitioner designation showing you have a breadth of knowledge in an Agile way of thinking. Both are strong in their own right. Depends on the individual and their particular area of focus or career aspirations.
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