What do you prefer between PMI-ACP and Scrum Master?

Sorry but is not the definition of mindset. Mindset is about a way of thinking. The defintion of Agile is more specific and boarder: is a way of thinking and behave with focus on client, value and quality. That´s critical to understand if organizations do not want to fail when they try to use Agile. Organizations must take critical decisions like define "client" and with that on hand they can define "value" and "quality". Besides that they have to transform themself to create an environment to help on way of behave where culture is the critical componet. That is the real transformation taken the systemic theory as the basement. On the other side, which thing related to an approach is not a mindset? So, the worst thing people can do is to think that Agile approach is a mindset. The PMI has failed on that taken the Manifesto for Software Development as the driver. My perception the PMI is the way to change that thanks to adhere or change the direction and take DAD as the driver right now. That´s in general. In the specific I hope the PMI will not take again Agile like a software especific approach only as it did in the past editions.

Sergio -

I don't think Rami is stating agile is ONLY about mindset. However, simply implementing a different way of working without corresponding changing in how we think is a recipe for "Dark Scrum" or "Doing Agile".

I'd agree that we can't think our way to a new way of working but rather need to work our way to a new way of thinking, but there is definitely a mindset "shift" required for all key stakeholders involved with value delivery to achieve the benefits of increased agility.

Kiron

Sergio

You are misinterpreting what I am trying to explain. Please refer to Kiron's feedback to your statement.

I definitely am not stating that Agile is only about mindset but it's important to recognize the need in a mindset shift.

RK

The problem with your statement is the use of words like Scum. Agile is totally independent from the method/framework to use. On the other side, ant way of working needs a way of thunking BUT as a component not as the key word of the definition. It is simple: when peolple try to use Agile then they undrstand what I am saying. Unfortunatelly most of the times after failling. PMI has taken that definition from an interpretation of the Manifesto for Agile Software Developement BUT the Manifesto us just for software and it is not the definition of Agile. The word software is there for a reason

Kiron

This is absolutely spot on, thank you for weighing in and I totally agree with what you've mentioned.

RK

Alexandre

From a pure marketing and software development perspective, this might be true. However, from other industries point of view like Construction, it's not. Scrum framework doesn't suit the construction industry at all, instead, I find the DSDM works best for construction projects or Adaptive-Waterfall Hybrid Approach.

On the other hand, this also depends on the geographical location. Here in North America, PMI-ACP is reasonably known and organizations, other than those who do software development, value ACP more the SM.

At the end of the day, we all have to remember that the real purpose behind pursuing a certification is professional development and for this effort to have real added value, one should pursue what best suits their career goals and aspirations, not go with the flow with whatever is trending in the market, unless, they are pursing it for pure added knowledge.

RK

Sergio -

"Dark Scrum" is just one type of "cargo cult" behavior which is what I referred to in my response. By no means was I singling out Scrum and I think by now you'd know that I am not a slave of any single method or framework but rather a fan of #ContextCounts...

Kiron

Sergio

I certainly see no problem with Kiron's statement - It is absolutely spot on.

Your statement on the other hand has too many assumptions (i.e. "when people try to use Agile then they undrstand what I am saying. Unfortunatelly most of the times after failling") - Really ?

Everyone who is weighing in here on this dicussion thread, besides having many qualifications, has many years of experience working in Agile so we also know what we are talking about. Part of being agile and the mindset shift I am referring to is being flexible to hear other professionals point of views as part of a team or community and not try to prove them wrong all the time.

Happy New Year !

RK

I missundetstood you prevous comment. I know you are not "slave" for anything else indeed.