Propose to rename PMI-ACP to "PMI Agile Project Manager"

Dear Kiron
Thanks for the precious info

I've been to Disciplined Agile now and they have 6 certifications:

- Disciplined Agilist (DA) (Shu)
- Certified Disciplined Agilist (CDA) (Shu)
- Certified Disciplined Agile Practitioner (CDAP) (Ha)
- Disciplined Agile Lean Scrum Master (DALSM) (Ha)
- Certified Disciplined Agile Coach (CDAC) (Ri)
- Certified Disciplined Agile Instructor (CDAI) (Ri)

Interestingly they cite Shu- Ha- Ri, which theme I addressed in a topic

After a little more of research I noticed this changes in the site of Discipline Agile, which are remarkable surprising.

How to Become a Certified Disciplined Agile Practitioner (CDAP)
___________________________________________________
Step 1:
Earn your CDA designation after 31 December 2019

Step 2:
Earn your PMI-ACP
- or -
Gain 2 years of agile team experience, in any role

Step 3:
Submit your application form and pass your reference checks
CONGRATULATIONS

_____________________________________________________

Step 1:
Earn your CDA designation before 01 January 2020

Step 2:
Attend a Foundations of Lean class
from a
Certified Disciplined Agile Instructor
- and -
pass the certification test

Step 3:
Earn your PMI-ACP
- or -
Gain 2 years of agile team experience, in any role

- then -
Submit your application form and pass your reference checks
CONGRATULATIONS

So I can see a direct relation between Discipline Agile Practitioner and the PMI-ACP, but not a relation as an Agile Leader.

Alexandre Costa

I have both certifications PMI-ACP and CSM.

I will leave here my thougths, in a european comercial perspective and really try to bring the truth ( at least my true) before diplomacie, could be controversial, you may not agree but i believe that the general feeling in most of the european union.
I am not trying to discuss the merit of the certifications but the actual comercial value in my environment.

- In Europe the CSM has more value (comercial) than ACP, never saw asking a certification of ACP as good to have in a job on the other hand CSM or CSPO are commonly asked in Agile projects jobs, many times are mandatory.
- Spoke many times with HR recruiters they do not understand the meaning of the PMI-ACP, is a Agile leader, is a Agile project manager, is only someone who kowns how to work in Agile environments, is a practicioner, could be only a team member like a developer.
- CSM like PMP are crystal clear roles.
- PMI-ACP is an approach to several agile and lean frameworks, methodologies, lifecycles what ever you want to call, enphasizing the techniques being used, as a practicioner , leader ( several kinds of leadship), project manager, Scrum master, Agile leader, the performance of the team , the behavior of the leader etc.. ( so it's all, but at the same time nothing in specific, very generalist )
- At government level (at least in Portugal) where is mandatory to have a certification to lead a public project the PMI-ACP is not valid, only with PMP, PRINCE 2,IPMA level C you can apply or be selected to this position.
- Due to market needs and demands, IPMA has developed the certification of Agile Leader becoming a step ahead of PMI in this domain in my opinion. The position is clear and the objective is to lead Agile projects.
- Discipline Agile has no expression in Europe.

I have to agree with @Adrew Soswa, at least the PMI-ACP , should be called PMI Agile Leader at least in a comercial perspective, if you think that the certification evaluate that skills.

The DA Lean Project Manager annouced by @Kiron it will send to second plan the PM-ACP certification in a comercial perspective.

Alexandre Costa

Rami - I definitely agree with not having the "PMI-" before the certification names. It is inconsistent (the PMP, PgMP & CAPM don't have these) and it makes it that much harder to list all achieved credentials when dealing with online forms that have fixed, low limit fields for names or suffixes.

Kiron

@Kiron

I'm sure that removing the PMI in the beginning it will not improve the knowledge of the HR recruiters about what is ACP. I think that is the concern pointed by Andrew S.

The main problem i see here is when the time comes, the members will decide if spent money in renewing the certification brings value or if the same money spent in other certification more well known by the market will be a best bet.

Alexandre Costa

Alexandre

Again, in North America, ACP is reasonably known. Don't forget that it is also a fairly new certification.

On another note, the driver for reneweing shouldn't be the market but how much this credential adds value to you as a professional. If my voice counts, the I can confidentantly assure you that it added lots of value to me as a professional.

RK

Rami, I always appreciate your toughs,

You should know for a fact that in most of Europe, generally outside software area, the big companies give great value to IMPA or PRINCE2 project management certifications on the other side in Software PMI takes advantage in project management. There is fierce competition between the two institutions.

In Europe in Software domain ACP has not build reputation yet,
this does not mean that in one or other country of Europe it has no value or is not known.
But I am currently seeing ACP certification being a platform for DA certifications and I am not comfortable with that path.

PMI-ACP in Portugal and adjacent countries is not known in fact i am constantly explaining to HR and to my pears the meaning of the certification, It's not really valued in UK my company head quarters
and much less in Japan where is the main heart of my organization ( mechatronics ).

So imagine that now i decided pursue DA certification i will suffer the
same problem
1 - Is not generally known by my pears and by HR in my country and near by.
2 - Has not an installed training base, only through virtual classes or workshops is possible to take certifications.
3 - It was going to take the trouble to evangelize others in DA (A lot of hard work, and i am not a recognized coach in the area like @Kiron and i understand is position because is defending is bet)
4 - If PMI is making ACP a ramp for DA certifications what is the future objective of this certification, I did valued the certification when I toked but now the current path is showing that value is being loosed in favor of DA.

Certainly you understand my concerns in this area, now it's all a bit confused, without perception of direction in the future. Probably in the future i will choose my certification more careful, because they must worth our time, money and at same time be an investment in our career and knowledge.

Do not forget the value of a PMI-ACP certification is 400 dollars with 200 dollars you can take the CDAP- Certified Discipline Agile Practitioner if I am not mistaken.

Alexandre Costa