Andrew SoswaTechnology leader| Leading global financial institutionElk Grove Village, Il, United States
I propose that we petition PMI to create "PMI Agile Project Manager".
Creating PMI-DA waters down PMI-ACP and creating PMPv7 with Agile component is muddling the understanding what each cert is. HR recruiters know what PMP is but when I try to explain PMI-ACP, they look at me crazy until I tell them "it's like CSM".
"PMI Agile Project Manager" is easier to market because it is more recognizable by everyone.
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What I've read in this discussion indicates that PMI isn't entirely certain what the future holds for the ACP, but might make some decisions this next year.
That seems reasonable to me. While more people continue to earn the ACP, I don't think it's received the recognition that PMI had hoped that it would. I also see the potential that DA could over-shadow the ACP as PMI continues to adapt and evolve in order to stay dominant in a changing world. I don't know what those odds are, I'm just recognizing the potential.
That said, there has been significant investment into the ACP, and I see no reason to scrap it. I would image that maintaining a certification is not nearly as expensive as creating or expanding one. PMI certainly has other certifications that are less popular and recognizable, although I would add that these generally support or build off of PMI's bread-and-butter, the PMP. When PMI's push towards agility becomes more directly linked to the PMP, then we'll know it's time to take it seriously.
(I have no inside knowledge of PMI's strategy, this is all mere outsider-looking-in speculation.)
Wade -
Having reviewed the draft chapters of the PMBOK Guide, 7th edition and knowing that 50% of the questions in the new PMP exam will be agile/hybrid-related, I'd suggest that PMI is legitimately embracing agility.
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 29, 2019 8:18 PM
Replying to Andrew Soswa
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Now, I am a little p**d. What's the value of PMI-ACP when it is incorporated in CDAP.
The success of PMI run on success of PMP, and more specifically on backs of all members and HR who put value in that certification.
I do not see the same enthusiasm behind PMI-ACP.
The multiple DA, PMI, FLEX certs are going the Scrum.org and AgileAlliance 10+ certs - spin-offs that dillute the value of main cert.
Worse.
I read and hear of resentment that PMI-ACP is devalued.
It becomes tiring to read same few DA people on LinkedIn... and wondering what's their Agile knowledge (outside of DA).
It's really disheartening that PMI Global does not share the strategy behind all that confusion.
"Waiting and see what happens" - as probably some good PMs know - is not a great project management strategy.
You bring to the table the key item: the lack of information from PMI side. In fact, I am in contact with FLEX people from long time ago and when you read what they (All Shalloare posting in linkedin really scary. Is not the same from Scott Ambler. My perception is the PMI give a very important step to go for DaD (I do not have the same concept from FLEX) but my hope lies only in what Scott Ambler can do in this situation. By the way, I think the worst thing the PMI can do is directing Agile to software domain only. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 30, 2019 9:00 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Rami Thanks for your comment
Far from me, the idea of ??questioning your ability to assess the cost-effectiveness of training offered in the project management market (predictive, adaptive or hybrid approaches)
The price for attending a PMI-ACP certification exam preparation course ranges from € 1,000.00 (early bird) to € 2,000.00. In-person training
Long story short, your statement ... ("Certification costs per person: 21 hours of training + hours of study + $ 495.00 (exam) = $ 2500.00 (lowest cost)") ... is not very accurate and could be misleading to new candidates because the $2,500 is actually not the lowest cost, but might be the highest cost if you decide you want to attend a full time in-person class which in my case, I find unneccesary but thats a personal preference.
There are prices for course than goes up to $5,000 and take it from me Luis, that doesn't mean they are better than the $200 courses.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 29, 2019 1:30 PM
Replying to Alexandre Costa
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Rami,
Thank you for always be available to give your honest opinions that I respect immensely.
I recomend this article reading that I found on the NET is very credible and somehow enlightening about DA's true market reach and hypothetical future plans.
Honestly, I think it comes down to what employers are looking for - at the end of the day what letters we have after our names, on our resumes have to match what they want in the job ad and the screening program.
Where I live I see a lot of PMP preferred and Agile/Scrum experience preferred. The more obscure the certification name the less it's actually asked for (For example, I hold a clinical research certification that NO ONE ever asks for on a job description but I maintain it to prove that I know the field since I spent 12 years in it) Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
The problem I see with Agile Project Manager is that it becomes difficult to know what in that phrase is Agile. Is it the project, is it the project management, or the project manager?
By choosing ACP, PMI did not have to choose what is Agile. As an ACP, you are a practitioner of Agile whatever. Saving Changes...
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