ANALOGOUS estimating is a technique for estimating the duration or cost of an activity or a project using *historical* data from a similar activity or project. Analogous estimating uses *parameters* from a previous, similar project, such as duration, budget, size, weight, and complexity, as the basis for estimating the same parameter or measure for a future project.
PARAMETRIC estimating is an estimating technique in which an algorithm is used to calculate cost or duration based on *historical* data and project *parameters.*
Two distinct methods defined by PMBOK (page 200 6th ed) using same two key words “historic” and “parameters”. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 07, 2020 12:11 PM
Replying to Richard Darko
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Thanks all.
What I notice about the clarifications is the word “parameter” is not a part of analogous explanation. Although PMBOK includes it and causes confusion.
So say you want to use the labor hours from a past similar project. That will be analogous right?
Richard
If you want to use the labor hours for the overall project and say:
Project X in the past consumed 1000 Manhours and it is similar to your current Project in size and complexity so you will use the same number of Manhours (i.e. schedule timeline), then yes, this is somehow analogous as you're basically saying the timeline of Project Y will be similar to Project X. You are basically comparing projects at a high level.
On the other hand, if you have labor hours for different activities like Paint, Drywall, Flooring, and so on plus the unit rate cost per hour for each and you calculate how much different activities will cost in total, that is Parametric Estimating. Here you are doing estimates based on intelligence data available, it is somehow Bottom-Up.
What I notice about the clarifications is the word “parameter” is not a part of analogous explanation. Although PMBOK includes it and causes confusion.
So say you want to use the labor hours from a past similar project. That will be analogous right?
Thanks Rami.
Refering to hours of the project in total although analogous can be used for components too. And not necessarily top-down.
Let’s say the project is painting a house.
Now let’s say you have three of such similar houses you have painted in the past and each took slightly different times.
So in estimating for the current project you rather use the average hours of the three past project.
Average is a statistical measure. Parametric definition, other than the key words historic and parameter, also includes statistical and algorithm.
So in this average of three past durations case is it now parametric or even three point.
This is the finally of my question. I wanted to build it up a bit more gradually.
The nuances in the definitions and how to really dichotomize. Great contribution from all.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 07, 2020 3:12 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Richard
This is a grey area really here. Three point estimate is usually taking the average for three results of the same activity. You are more or less doing the same for for different projects, it can still be three point estimate and at the same time analogous as you are comparing the big picture here high level. I wouldn't consider it parametric.
In reality, there is no black and white in estimates, it can be a mix of many methods all together.
However, for the PMP, exam, if that is your concern, you have to give it your best judgement based on your experience.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 07, 2020 3:04 PM
Replying to Richard Darko
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Thanks Rami.
Refering to hours of the project in total although analogous can be used for components too. And not necessarily top-down.
Let’s say the project is painting a house.
Now let’s say you have three of such similar houses you have painted in the past and each took slightly different times.
So in estimating for the current project you rather use the average hours of the three past project.
Average is a statistical measure. Parametric definition, other than the key words historic and parameter, also includes statistical and algorithm.
So in this average of three past durations case is it now parametric or even three point.
This is the finally of my question. I wanted to build it up a bit more gradually.
The nuances in the definitions and how to really dichotomize. Great contribution from all.
Richard
This is a grey area really here. Three point estimate is usually taking the average for three results of the same activity. You are more or less doing the same for for different projects, it can still be three point estimate and at the same time analogous as you are comparing the big picture here high level. I wouldn't consider it parametric.
In reality, there is no black and white in estimates, it can be a mix of many methods all together.
However, for the PMP, exam, if that is your concern, you have to give it your best judgement based on your experience.
Hope this helps.
RK
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1 reply by Thomas Walenta
Jan 07, 2020 3:35 PM
Thomas Walenta
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Three point estimates do not use 3 random figures but specifically pessimistic, optimistic and most likely data points.
For analogous estimates you could use the average of previous similar projects.
Sometimes there are grey areas. And sometimes the scenario is actually a mixture. And most times more than 1 answer choice come from both sides of the grey scale.
I certainly agree with this particular scenario being more of THREE POINT (although the source of the data was via ANALOGY). But ultimately it’s THREE POINT.
But then when it comes across that the answer should be rather PARAMETRIC (when the historic hours being used is NOT UNIT hours), I find it hard to agree that the correct answer should have been parametric. Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Jan 07, 2020 3:12 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Richard
This is a grey area really here. Three point estimate is usually taking the average for three results of the same activity. You are more or less doing the same for for different projects, it can still be three point estimate and at the same time analogous as you are comparing the big picture here high level. I wouldn't consider it parametric.
In reality, there is no black and white in estimates, it can be a mix of many methods all together.
However, for the PMP, exam, if that is your concern, you have to give it your best judgement based on your experience.
Hope this helps.
RK
Three point estimates do not use 3 random figures but specifically pessimistic, optimistic and most likely data points.
For analogous estimates you could use the average of previous similar projects.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 07, 2020 3:40 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Thomas
This is what I indirectly mentioned but thanks for the emphasis and additional clarity. I never mentioned anything about three random figures but did not want to go in to the details of P,O,ML in order not to go off topic.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 07, 2020 3:35 PM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Three point estimates do not use 3 random figures but specifically pessimistic, optimistic and most likely data points.
For analogous estimates you could use the average of previous similar projects.
Thomas
This is what I indirectly mentioned but thanks for the emphasis and additional clarity. I never mentioned anything about three random figures but did not want to go in to the details of P,O,ML in order not to go off topic.
Yes. Does clarify. Thanks.
But if you have three historic actuals all different they will point to the most likely, optimistic and pessimistic durations.
Say:
one took 1200hours
Another took 1000hours
And the third took 1600 hours.
If these are all lessons learned you have (historic data) of *similar* projects and since there is lack of additional detailed information you just take a simple average (P+M+O)/3, I think you are doing a three point Estimate.
Maybe in disguise.
P, M and O are all estimated analogously not parametrically.
But triangular averaging in my opinion makes the whole estimation process three point. Saving Changes...
I came up with a few bad examples before a good one. Between that and reading the comments of my colleagues, if teaching a class I would explain the difference as follows: An analogous estimate is based on an analogy, while a parametric is based on a correlation between 2 or more variables (parameters).
An analogy compares 2 different things that are similar in some way. We can approximate what we need to know about one thing, from what information we have about the other thing. It can be a rough parametric such as, “This job is about equivalent to doing that job twice.”, but not as precise as, “This job is equivalent to 2.14 X that job.”
A parametric uses one or more parameters (variables) to calculate different ones. It could be based on a logical relationship such as Mass = Volume * Density. Those variables are related, but entirely different properties. Knowing 2, we can calculate the 3rd. They can also be a heuristic (something we use because we know it works), based on experience such as many data points.
My favorite example of a heuristic: The cost of some products is primarily driven by the engineering design effort. It turns out the cost correlates very closely to the product weigh however, so if I know the weight, I can calculate both the cost and the engineering effort to design it. There is no logical reason why it works, but it does so we can create a precise estimate, based on a completely unrelated variable.
For three point estimates we use PERT. There was a previous thread (very interesting actually) about how the formulation came about. To fully exploit parametric analysis, you would need to provide 3-point estimates for all activities on the critical path and near-critical path assuming you are using CPM. This is where the power of Monte Carlo simulations come into play. Performing a "parametric" analysis on just the over-all project duration (one variable) was not how it was intended to be applied. Saving Changes...