Steven DraheimProject Manager - Human Resources/Quality Assurance Manager| Rolls Royce North AmericaCarmel, In, United States
Hello! I'm looking for some advice/feedback. I am currently running several projects under the Agile umbrella and I'm LOVING IT! I have considered coming out of pocket to strive for the ACP cert but I would love to hear some feedback from those who have achieved it. Benefits? Market advantages? Appreciate your intel on this :) Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
I have it. Unfortunatelly, at least from my perspective, is the PMI is adding noise creating a parallel world related to DA. So, if you ask me, wait for final decisions or go for DA related certifications just in case you thing it could add value. From my perspective, it will not add value due to ACP is stronger because is a generalistic certification which demmads to have practical expertisse into the most well known methods/frameworks (XP, DSDM, Scrum, TDD) plus general knowledge on the matter (for example, what Mike Cohn statated inside his book "Agile Planning"). Saving Changes...
Steven DraheimProject Manager - Human Resources/Quality Assurance Manager| Rolls Royce North AmericaCarmel, In, United States
I appreciate both of your insight on this and it is a little unsettling to hear the discrepancies of PMI making a clear pathway of education. I'm extremely focused on Agile and would love to make this a focus of expertise in my career. Are there other, credible, organizations out there that have their foundations firm in educating?
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Jan 21, 2020 8:39 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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All the other organizations are aligned to a specific agile based method. I have other cerfification taken for the organization that is close to DSDM. If you like to understand what agile really is you need to go to the basement which was outside the software in 1990. Check this link: http://www.parshift.com/index.htm and mainly this for start: http://www.parshift.com/s/140106Technion-AgileVsLeanSE.pdf Additional to this search for the book "Response Ability" which contains most of the deliverables created in the place where agile was born and was written by Rick Dove which was the program manager.
Even though the ACP has a higher set of prerequisites than the CSM and PSM I and tests knowledge outside of a single method or framework, it does not have the market share that Scrum-based certifications do. As such, for poorly informed recruiters or hiring managers, the ACP would not be as relevant. However, if you are dealing with a savvy recruiter or hiring manager they would give the ACP a higher weighting.
PMI themselves is continuing to support the ACP even after the DA acquisition - it is, after all, their third most possible certification (after the PMP and CAPM).
If you just want "some" agile credential, then I'd suggest looking at the PSM family as the costs of attaining those certifications are cheaper than those from PMI or from Scrum Alliance.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Jan 21, 2020 8:18 AM
Replying to Steven Draheim
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I appreciate both of your insight on this and it is a little unsettling to hear the discrepancies of PMI making a clear pathway of education. I'm extremely focused on Agile and would love to make this a focus of expertise in my career. Are there other, credible, organizations out there that have their foundations firm in educating?
All the other organizations are aligned to a specific agile based method. I have other cerfification taken for the organization that is close to DSDM. If you like to understand what agile really is you need to go to the basement which was outside the software in 1990. Check this link: http://www.parshift.com/index.htm and mainly this for start: http://www.parshift.com/s/140106Technion-AgileVsLeanSE.pdf Additional to this search for the book "Response Ability" which contains most of the deliverables created in the place where agile was born and was written by Rick Dove which was the program manager. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Steven
In principal, I agree with Kiron. However, I personally did benefit from pursuing the PMI-ACP exam in terms of knowledge because it exposes you to different frameworks and to agile in general which could help you in the future make more sound decisions as to what works best for your projects especially if you are going to use Hybrid Approaches.
Scrum is limited to one framework which is most useful in, but not limited to, Software Development. I find it best to have a grasp of the big picture and get exposed to the various frameworks then start concentrating on specific frameworks as needed. For example, following ACP I decided to dive more into Scrum, Kanban and DSDM.
While ACP might not be well known at the moment, it is getting there and with the acquisition of DA, it will complement ACP and vice versa, not complete with it (At least this is what I concluded from going through the whole structure of DA vs. ACP).
At the end, it all comes down to what your goals are: If you have long term goals and are looking to add to your knowledge, and maybe in the future stand out in the market, then PMI-ACP is great to pursue. If you're looking for short term marketability and job opportunities, it might not help as much.
I have seen increased requests for the ACP in Agile-related job ads. Scrum-based certifications are fine, but in my view they do not rise to the same level as some Agile certifications and they are certainly not as holistic. You said you are running several projects under Agile and these may not be Scrum. They probably are, but more likely a hybrid version of it. But why quibble about which one to do. Do both! Saving Changes...
Alexandre CostaScrum Master| Integer Consulting - Pictet technologiesLoures, Portugal
Steven,
I have the PMI-ACP although I recognize great value to the certification, I agree with @Sergio I advise you to wait to see what future surprises the PMI will reveal concerning the certification and the connection to DA. If you are decided to obtain an agile certification probably is better to choose the PSM or CSM.
But this is only my personal opinion.
Alexandre Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Even though I have three PMI certfications (PMP, RMP and SP), recruiters are now asking me if I have an Agile certification. That's why I'm going for my ACP next month.
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Jan 29, 2020 2:50 PM
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Good luck with that Stephane, I'm sure you will ace it.
Even though I have three PMI certfications (PMP, RMP and SP), recruiters are now asking me if I have an Agile certification. That's why I'm going for my ACP next month.
Good luck with that Stephane, I'm sure you will ace it.
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