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Alexandre Costa Scrum Master| Integer Consulting - Pictet technologies Loures, Portugal
This is a Innovative Project Management Strategy, as project manager what this means to you?
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Alexandre -

If you mean focusing on leadership rather than just on management, and empowering your team vs. managing them in a Theory X manner, then I'd agree.

Provide support for your team to flourish and then step out of their way.

Kiron
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1 reply by Alexandre Costa
Jan 24, 2020 5:36 PM
Alexandre Costa
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@Kiron

It's a correct way to see the approach, but not the only way, thanks for your contribution.

Alexandre.
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Alexandre Costa Scrum Master| Integer Consulting - Pictet technologies Loures, Portugal
Jan 24, 2020 5:31 PM
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Alexandre -

If you mean focusing on leadership rather than just on management, and empowering your team vs. managing them in a Theory X manner, then I'd agree.

Provide support for your team to flourish and then step out of their way.

Kiron
@Kiron

It's a correct way to see the approach, but not the only way, thanks for your contribution.

Alexandre.
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Keith Novak Tukwila, Wa, United States
I would have to understand your thoughts on what you mean by that. Management is the act of control. A project that lacks any control is just hoping for success, rather than planning and executing.

A PM may employ the principle of Commander's Intent, make their priorities clear, and delegate much of the direct management to the team members most knowledgeable about how to control their specialized knowledge areas, but management is still occurring. If the project goes off course and the PM does not require any corrective action, they are simply watching a failure in progress.
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
You can be a good or even a great leader without being a good manager. These people usually are visionaries and entrepreneurs. They always need to chase the next idea. Somebody else needs to carry the pieces afterward.

To be an excellent leader you should also be an excellent manager.
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Alexandre Costa Scrum Master| Integer Consulting - Pictet technologies Loures, Portugal
I can clarify the context, the thought is not mine but I was curious to see what you think about it.

As strange as it may sound, a growing number of companies are eschewing traditional management hierarchies and adopting a flat management structure. But if decision-making is left to everyone equally, how are projects handled?

According to this theory companies like Treehouse may not have managers in the traditional sense however, they still benefit from (and use) project management software that helps increase communication and collaboration. These tools empower employees to self-organize projects from start to finish and turn their own innovative ideas into reality.
Complex projects require close planning, tracking, and collaboration in order to be successful. Project management tools can provide the necessary functions to make these endeavors a success – without risking innovation.

So this is the context I am not choosing sides, the purpose is only to know what of think about it, nevertheless some companies are adopting this style, if they are having success or not I don't have data about that part.

Alexandre
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1 reply by Anton Oosthuizen
Jan 26, 2020 11:37 PM
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This almost sounds like the self-organizing team principle applied to project management teams. My personal opinion is that I just cannot see it working except if there is some underlying structure to guide the process i.e. like a scrum master in Scrum.
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
If you think of management as applying resources to targets, favorably for a purpose, it will be always there.

Somebody owns the company and gives someone else the permission to use resources to achieve a goal. Voila, a manager.

You might call them differently.

From announcement of the goal to reaching it, you have a project. Time limited and with a unique goal.

Even ongoing operations can be seen as time limited, e.g. annual or contract assignments.

If resources include humans, you need leadership capability.
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1 reply by Alexandre Costa
Jan 25, 2020 5:48 AM
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Thomas,

Thank you for sharing your opinion with the community.
Probably they use the concept of shared leadership I don't know if it works , but it's an option.

Alexandre
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dear Alexandre
Interesting your question
Thanks for sharing

I am convinced that both management and leadership are vital - and that either is insufficient without the other

I learned that we cannot "lead" things.
We cannot lead stocks, cash flows and costs
We have to manage them. Why? Because things don't have the ability and freedom to choose
So we lead (we empower) people. We manage and control things
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«People» decide to be managed under their own leadership
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1 reply by Alexandre Costa
Jan 25, 2020 5:56 AM
Alexandre Costa
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Dear Luis,

Thank you for share your knowledge with us.
It's clear that we cannot lead things only persons, but do you think is possible to apply the concept of shared management removing pressure from one person only ( project manager) ?

Alexandre
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Alexandre Costa Scrum Master| Integer Consulting - Pictet technologies Loures, Portugal
Jan 25, 2020 3:36 AM
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If you think of management as applying resources to targets, favorably for a purpose, it will be always there.

Somebody owns the company and gives someone else the permission to use resources to achieve a goal. Voila, a manager.

You might call them differently.

From announcement of the goal to reaching it, you have a project. Time limited and with a unique goal.

Even ongoing operations can be seen as time limited, e.g. annual or contract assignments.

If resources include humans, you need leadership capability.
Thomas,

Thank you for sharing your opinion with the community.
Probably they use the concept of shared leadership I don't know if it works , but it's an option.

Alexandre
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1 reply by Thomas Walenta
Jan 25, 2020 6:01 AM
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Alexandre, shared Leadership sounds like an Oxomoron to me. Either someone leads or not. It is in the human nature (and that of some animals too) to have tribal leaders. We are not bees or ants yet.

Even in the most effective teams there is someone to whom the others look in case of insecurity.

There might be management without leadership, as can be observed in many places. Leadership is not necessary if there are no humans. Think about factory of the future, IoT, even self driving cars do not need a conductor.
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Alexandre Costa Scrum Master| Integer Consulting - Pictet technologies Loures, Portugal
Jan 25, 2020 4:44 AM
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Dear Alexandre
Interesting your question
Thanks for sharing

I am convinced that both management and leadership are vital - and that either is insufficient without the other

I learned that we cannot "lead" things.
We cannot lead stocks, cash flows and costs
We have to manage them. Why? Because things don't have the ability and freedom to choose
So we lead (we empower) people. We manage and control things
Sometimes...
«People» decide to be managed under their own leadership
Dear Luis,

Thank you for share your knowledge with us.
It's clear that we cannot lead things only persons, but do you think is possible to apply the concept of shared management removing pressure from one person only ( project manager) ?

Alexandre
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Jan 25, 2020 6:41 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Alexandre
Interesting your question
Thanks for sharing

Right now I am reading (studying) Frederic Laloux - Reinventing Organizations.
It lists the different paradigms of the human organizations through the ages and proposals a new one: Teal organization.

Teal organization is built on three pillars related to wholeness, self-management and evolutionary purpose.

In addition to Frederic Laloux, I am also studying Brian Robertson on Holacracy : The New Management System for a Rapidly Changing World

Holacracy is a method of decentralized management and organizational governance, in which authority and decision-making are distributed throughout a holarchy of self-organizing teams rather than being vested in a management hierarchy.
Holacracy has been adopted by for-profit and non-profit organizations in several countries

In other words, I still have no opinion on your question.
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
Jan 25, 2020 5:48 AM
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Thomas,

Thank you for sharing your opinion with the community.
Probably they use the concept of shared leadership I don't know if it works , but it's an option.

Alexandre
Alexandre, shared Leadership sounds like an Oxomoron to me. Either someone leads or not. It is in the human nature (and that of some animals too) to have tribal leaders. We are not bees or ants yet.

Even in the most effective teams there is someone to whom the others look in case of insecurity.

There might be management without leadership, as can be observed in many places. Leadership is not necessary if there are no humans. Think about factory of the future, IoT, even self driving cars do not need a conductor.
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2 replies by Alexandre Costa and Thomas Walenta
Jan 25, 2020 6:36 AM
Alexandre Costa
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Thomas,

I understand you opinion, but I cannot exclude shared leadership because there are practical cases of their existence. I know that the stereotype of leader sees him as in a solitary role. The reality more often means a leader shares that role, whether collaborating on a time-limited project or in an ongoing position. Examples of these shared leadership projects include a task force composed of members from different divisions of an organization, a collaborative project between two or more organizations, and a public-private partnership to meet a community goal. Whatever the specifics, leaders work collaboratively and share power with other leaders who bring their own perspectives and skill sets.

Alexandre
Jan 26, 2020 4:46 AM
Thomas Walenta
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Hi Alexandre

a leader does not have to have the authority and mission to lead from the beginning (remember Tuckman's ladder: storming phase will result in everybody finding their role on the task). I am saying some people will stick out, and will be seen as leaders by the others. Sometimes they will accept it only reluctantly.

For me shared leadership is a term that describes servant leadership, group decision making, trust and other good habits for building a team. It conveys the value of fairness/equality, which is often contradicted by the value of autonomy/freedom (and I see that currently the latter dominates).

The term is potentially divisive, alienating great leaders we have and need by being disrespectful to their role.

I have been in teams as you describe, and I could easily identify the most influential person, the leader. If there were 2 or more of them, the team was fighting. Sometimes I stepped in to lead, sometimes I lean back and try not to be involved in leading, but I may support others.
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