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Ethical values you subscribe to and working for a company that shares them

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Amany Nuseibeh Speaker, Global Leader | Optimal Consulting Sydney, Nsw, Australia
In an interview with Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf on toastmasters website, John stated “I think careers are three-legged stools: First, work for a company that shares your values; second, work for a boss who cares about you; and third, invest in yourself.”

The values that the global project management community defined as most important are stated in the PMI Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct:
Responsibility, Respect, Fairness, and Honesty (https://www.pmi.org/-/media/pmi/documents/...c_lang_temp=en)

1. What other ethical values do you subscribe to?
2. How do you go about confirming that the company you are about to start working for shares these values?
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Fabio Rigamonti Project Director| Centric Software Milan, Italy
Company's values are hard to really and deeply understand, they're more in actions than in words.
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Jan 31, 2020 12:45 AM
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@Fabio - Thank you for adding your thoughts. I was wondering of you could share what values (in addition to the Code values) do you subscribe to? and as company's values are more in actions - what sort of action would attract your attention to confirm that a company share/does not share your values?
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Vincent Guerard Coach - Trainer - Speaker - Advisor| Freelance Mont-Royal, Quebec, Canada
Jan 27, 2020 8:14 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Great topic Amany!

1. Integrity and transparency - do what you say and don't hide the truth

2. As Lori says, this is very tricky as the company might have these values institutionalized in some areas but not the one you are going to work in. Asking scenario questions in the interview process of your hiring manager is unlikely to yield the full picture. The only option is to speak to folks who have recently left along with some who are already there. One mark of a good team, department or company is when a hiring manager is willing to give you the name and contact info of someone who is no longer with the company to speak about their experiences.

Kiron
Kiron,

Well presented.

How many companies/hiring managers did provide information for contact that is no longer with them, to you? what percentage?
I never got such information, I did ask often.
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2 replies by Amany Nuseibeh and Kiron Bondale
Jan 29, 2020 10:16 PM
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I had this happen a grand total of twice in my career to date. I've worked for about a dozen companies so the odds aren't good!
Jan 31, 2020 12:50 AM
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@Vincent - Thank you for posting this question and thank you @Kiron for sharing your experience.
I share with you that companies are not likely to provide this information - especially if they attribute it to privacy.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Jan 29, 2020 11:53 AM
Replying to Vincent Guerard
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Kiron,

Well presented.

How many companies/hiring managers did provide information for contact that is no longer with them, to you? what percentage?
I never got such information, I did ask often.
I had this happen a grand total of twice in my career to date. I've worked for about a dozen companies so the odds aren't good!
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Dr. Deepa Bhide Hyderabad, Telangana, India
Great topic and way of putting it Amany. The company values are those that matter to the actual project staff and motivates them to work - integrity, honesty, compassion, empathy and transparency. These come to my mind as the topmost.

I guess the leadership has to invest in some of these consciously and instill the same in the team members.

Thx
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Jan 31, 2020 12:08 PM
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@Deepa - Thank you for adding integrity, honesty, compassion, empathy and transparency to the mix.
I was wondering if you could share how do you go about confirming that the company you are about to start working for shares these values?
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Simona Bonghez Managing Partner| Colors in Projects ltd Bucharest, Romania
Indeed great topics, Amany, thank you for posting it. I would like to add an idea to the second one: the values of a company. When starting your own firm this should be one of the most important things to focus on: to embed the ethical values (the ones you believe in, you want to be followed by all your future employees, and you want your clients to see and feel) within the company culture. Of course that it is easier said than done, as it is a continuous, never ending effort with no quick wins or immediate results. However, a constant focus on it will payoff on the long term, and can make you extremely proud when looking back :) For those who are passionate about the subject I would recommend the book Delivering Happiness by Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh. It hugely influenced me.
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Jan 31, 2020 12:13 PM
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@Simona - Thank you for sharing your thoughts - the emphasis on the values setting your own company. I was wondering if you could share how would you then confirm that the other clients/customers/customers you engage with have the same values? and how much would that matter?
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Amany Nuseibeh Speaker, Global Leader | Optimal Consulting Sydney, Nsw, Australia
Jan 27, 2020 10:18 AM
Replying to Dr Gregory Gray Jr
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1. What other ethical values do you subscribe to?

That's simple, what you do when no one is looking or listening.

2. How do you go about confirming that the company you are about to start working for shares these values?

Ask and then listen...it's possible to "hear" confirmation (and/or) truth when others speak. It's a skill that takes time to it develop but very reliable with developing relationships, minimizing risk and meeting expectations
Thank you @Gregory - what you do when no one is looking or listening represents how our values are translating into actions without pretense.
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Amany Nuseibeh Speaker, Global Leader | Optimal Consulting Sydney, Nsw, Australia
Jan 27, 2020 10:34 AM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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I believe in being truthful to myself, not just others.

If something is said or done that makes you cringe or twinge, pay attention to it. Your body and mind are telling you something.
Thank you @Stéphane for another definition - being truthful with ourselves is a great start and listening to our gut feeling is one good approach.
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Amany Nuseibeh Speaker, Global Leader | Optimal Consulting Sydney, Nsw, Australia
Jan 27, 2020 11:20 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Amany
Interesting your question
Thanks for sharing

In addition to the PMI Code of Ethics Principles:
- Fairness
- Respect
- Responsibility
- Honesty

There are other Principles and Values:
- Transparency in processes and results
- Customer satisfaction
- Continuous Improvement
- Rigor
- Creativity / Innovation
- Teamwork
@Luis - Thank you for sharing the values. I was wondering if you could share with us how do you go about confirming that the company you are about to start working for shares these values?
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Amany Nuseibeh Speaker, Global Leader | Optimal Consulting Sydney, Nsw, Australia
Jan 27, 2020 1:02 PM
Replying to LORI WILSON
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Hello Amany: I very much appreciate the words you shared by John Stumpf.

Regarding what other ethical values I subscribe to…I am a Christian and therefore those values come into play for me. It is also important for me to believe my work is making a difference, so I look for companies and positions where I believe that is true – where the work I am involved with will help others.

Confirming the company I decide to work for shares these values is harder. I’ve been part of the American workforce for over 40 years, and things have really changed in the marketplace during that time. In many companies, mission and vision sound beautiful but sometimes the reality is quite different in the trenches. In my father’s day, he worked for through hard times and good times for a company – showing his loyalty even when things were tough. Often he and his peers retired with a gold watch after many loyal years. Today, our workforce is much more fluid with staff often staying for a few years and then moving on - the loyalty between workers and companies is very different now than it was in the past, historical knowledge and understanding is impacted and company values can appear different than advertised. Obviously, this is not the case for all companies, but is something I have noticed over time.
@Lori - Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience - the importance of adding value, making a positive difference and contributing to the community at large!
As you stated, unfortunately, loyalty and long service are no longer on the cards for organisations where cultures vary and pockets of various cultures could exist within the same organization.
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Amany Nuseibeh Speaker, Global Leader | Optimal Consulting Sydney, Nsw, Australia
Jan 27, 2020 8:14 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Great topic Amany!

1. Integrity and transparency - do what you say and don't hide the truth

2. As Lori says, this is very tricky as the company might have these values institutionalized in some areas but not the one you are going to work in. Asking scenario questions in the interview process of your hiring manager is unlikely to yield the full picture. The only option is to speak to folks who have recently left along with some who are already there. One mark of a good team, department or company is when a hiring manager is willing to give you the name and contact info of someone who is no longer with the company to speak about their experiences.

Kiron
@Kiron - Thank you for adding integrity and transparency to the mix. I agree with you and @Lori - pockets of cultures could exist within the same organization distorting the full picture.
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