George PearsonProject Manager| Dodsal EngineeringDoha, Qatar
As a recently PMI candidate I found that something was missing in PMI Training.
One of the most important areas of a Project on Petro Chemical Plants or LNG Projects is HSE. Can anybody in Project Management tell me why such an important part of any Project is not defined in PMI and what the reasons are that it is not dealt with on a higher professional level such as Project Management if HSE plays the most integral part of a Project today. Saving Changes...
Pavan MachirajuConsultant| Marlabs Inc.Highland Park, Nj, United States
HSE (Health, Safety and Environment) is not a unique topic and varies with industry to industry. I guess, as PMI wants to mention and detail the topics which are universally accepted across all industries, they didn't mention this topic in PMBOK. Though they didn't mention specifically, You may consider this topic under Risk Management. Saving Changes...
HEMAM RANJIT KUMAR SINGHFounder & Director| TechSure Global Consultancy LLPGuwahati, Assam, India
hi,
Reference to Page # 267 last bullet point for SAFETY in the PMBOK Guide Fifth Edition:
Which states that " Policies and procedures that protect team members from safety hazards can be included in the staffing management plan as well as in the risk register."
Regarding the Compliance which should also be mentioned in the said staffing management plan (Bullet point just above the Safety)
Thanks and best regards,
Ranjit
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JOSE MIGUEL DIEZTechnical Manager| Inycia, S. L.Madrid, Madrid, Spain
According with PMI, Project Safety Management is one of the additional knowledge areas to take into account for the Project Manager of Construction Projects (jointly with Project Environmental Management, Project Financial Management and Project Claim Management). You can find the details in 'Construction Extension to the PMBOK Guide 3th edition' published by PMI during 2008. Next revision of this Extension is expected for 2016.
However, I do not know why Project Safety Management is not considered for other type of projects. Why only for Construction Projects?
Additionally, why only Safety Management? In all projects you need to manage the complete Occupational Prevention risks:
Jomon JosephService Delivery Manager| CGIBangalore, Karnataka, India
HSE is an important topic in Oil and Gas Domain. I think it is important and should be covered separately. and should not be a sub topic under risk management. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I totally agree with this. Ive worked in O&G besides heavy civil jobs and our PM Plan always included a seperate HSE Management Plan just exactly like Scope MGT Plan and other MGT Plans. Safety in projects is a core Mangement element and if it goes wrong, it can take your project down the drain besides affecting future jobs for the company as companies with unsound safetey record are not usually on top of the bid list for selection by clients.
More weight should be given to HSE Management and not only limited to construction. Heath, Safety and Environment exsits everywhere. Hazards exsits everywhere. I would agree that the JSE Plan for a large construction project would not be as sophisticated as an HSE Plan for an IT Projects but it should be there even if it is as brief as one brief summary page. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
George,
By the way, I worked in Qatar for 8 years with CCC - 3 of them in Ras Laffan so I hear you. My last project in Qatar was The Faclty of Islamic Studies in Qatar Foundation Educational City ( Amazing Structure). Saving Changes...
I think HSE is more critical in some industries than others. In the construction, hospital and oil&gas industries, I can see HSE having its own subsidiary plan under the Project Management Plan umbrella. For other industries, it can make sense to have it part of another subsidiary plan, say the human resources plan. Saving Changes...
PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHIGeneral Manager| Transrail Lighting LimitedNainital, Uttrakhand, India
I feel it as an important concept. However PMBOK is more concerned about the project Initiation, planning, executing, monitoring and control, closing.
It takes HSE as an ethical practice. It doesn't effect the outcome of project but related with safety of workers and resources.
I think It may be added in future in PMBOK alongwith quality management., Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Gentlemen,
In my point of view, HSE is a very important and crucial part - However, I agree with Stephane that it is more critical in some industries more than others.
Having worked in the industry of Construction for years and mainly on large jobs, HSE was one of our major focuses always and a top priority, we usually educate our team: Safety First ! I disagree with Pankaj (With all respect to your opinion of course), that HSE does not affect the outcome of the projects. Of course it does, big time. Let me explain to you my point of view - I will just give you one example:
If there are too many accidents in a certain project, the client will shut down the site until corrective actions are taken (Delay in Time) and request re-training of all workforce (Additional Cost) besides that on record, if this project does not have SOUND safety record, the tendency of winning future projects will decrease as big clients in construction focus on HSE Records for companies (Future Threat for not getting more jobs).
In conclusion, HSE plays a pivotal role in Construction Projects and should be added as a separate Knowledge Area in the PMBOK although it might not affect all industries but at the end of day, you should have complete standards for all Knowledge Areas and applicable to all industries and then you can tailor the PM Plan depending on the industry and project requirements and what best suits your project. Saving Changes...
JOSE MIGUEL DIEZTechnical Manager| Inycia, S. L.Madrid, Madrid, Spain
PMBOK tools for each knowledge area should be used only if your project demands them (Project Manager has the tools but he decides which to use). Therefore, Safety Management and Environmental Managment, jointlly with their tools, should be added to PMBOK as separated knwoledge areas.
However, I think SHE affects to 'all industries and to all projects phases'. SHE is not only safety during executing process of the product (construction or manufacturing). In all projects, SHE also affects to the product itself (safety design, ergonomic design, etc.), to the Project team (occupational risk prevention, ergonomics and social psychology risks prevention (moobing, stress prevention, ...)) and to the environment (waste management, enviromental friendly design, etc.). And SHE is not only Safety is also occupational Hygiene management (illness prevention, etc.). However, people normally belives that SHE is only in relation with harazardous areas and high safety risk activities.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 16, 2016 1:19 AM
Rami Kaibni
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I 1000% Agree with you Jose - Especially your statement in the first paragraph and this is what I've been addressing always.
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