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PMBOK Guide 7th Disaster Waiting to Happen?

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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Have you had the opportunity to watch the video on YouTube on the topic: "PMBOK Guide 7th Disaster Waiting to Happen?"

What is your opinion on the content of this video?
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Apr 30, 2020 11:18 AM
Replying to Jufran Helmi
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I agree that the proposed PMBOK 7th edition is too drastic to change and not good. If it will be launched, just take another title such PM Principles, etc instead of PMBOK Guide
Dear Jufran
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion

What is at issue here is the content and process used
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Dave Violette Retired| Duke Energy Corporation Mooresville, Nc, United States
For those interested in this discussion thread there is a new post on Project Management Central by Jim Branden titled "IS THERE WIDE SPREAD CONSENSUS? – An appeal for a Second Public Exposure Draft"

I encourage anyone who is interested in the PMBOK7 update to take a look at Jim's post.

I encourge
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2 replies by Luis Branco and Stéphane Parent
May 18, 2020 7:03 PM
Stéphane Parent
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I did take a look, Dave. Most of Jim's discussion is around the Standard for Project Management, not the PMBOK Guide 7.
May 22, 2020 6:06 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Dave
Thank you for sharing this information with us

I've had the opportunity to read and comment on the topic you are referring to

I'm curious to know PMI's responses to letters (emails) sent
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
May 18, 2020 8:49 AM
Replying to Dave Violette
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For those interested in this discussion thread there is a new post on Project Management Central by Jim Branden titled "IS THERE WIDE SPREAD CONSENSUS? – An appeal for a Second Public Exposure Draft"

I encourage anyone who is interested in the PMBOK7 update to take a look at Jim's post.

I encourge
I did take a look, Dave. Most of Jim's discussion is around the Standard for Project Management, not the PMBOK Guide 7.
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1 reply by Dave Violette
May 22, 2020 2:19 PM
Dave Violette
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You are correct Stephane.

Jim's post is mostly about the Standard and not the Guide. However, the Standard is the 1st three chapters of the Guide. Since these chapters are being put forth as an ANSI Standard the process requires there be an public exposure draft of this document. This occurred back in January/February.

Since then the comments have been adjudicated, reviewers who chose to do so submitted appeals for the adjudication decisions they disagreed with (I submitted 19), and those appeals have been adjudicated. The Drafting Committee has revised the document to reflect the changes stemming from those adjudication decisions.

The revised document now stands with the Standards Consensus Body for the next step, which is a vote to affirm or not affirm the revised document as the ANSI approved "Standard for Project Management."

Jim's post and appeal is an attempt to encourage the Consensus Committee to vote to require the draft Standard to go out for another full exposure draft. The basis of his claim can be found in his post.

I for one concur with Jim's appeal. This draft standard desperately needs another exposure draft round. If PMI is to be able to reliably state there is a broad consensus around this revised document that to date no one but the Drafting Committee and the Standards Consensus Committee has seen broader review is needed.

As for the PMBOK7 itself, PMI has already stated there will be NO public exposure for the BOK portion of the document - chapters 4-6. It will go forward with only review/input from the Drafting Committee and the 2 Review Committees (full disclosure I served on both Review Committee 1 & 2). In my opinion the entire PMBOK7 desperately needs its own public exposure draft cycle.

My hope is a second exposure draft for the Standard will not only improve the content of the Standard but also afford an opportunity to convince PMI to do a full exposure draft for the entire PMBOK7.
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
May 18, 2020 8:49 AM
Replying to Dave Violette
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For those interested in this discussion thread there is a new post on Project Management Central by Jim Branden titled "IS THERE WIDE SPREAD CONSENSUS? – An appeal for a Second Public Exposure Draft"

I encourage anyone who is interested in the PMBOK7 update to take a look at Jim's post.

I encourge
Dear Dave
Thank you for sharing this information with us

I've had the opportunity to read and comment on the topic you are referring to

I'm curious to know PMI's responses to letters (emails) sent
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1 reply by Dave Violette
May 22, 2020 2:31 PM
Dave Violette
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Luis,

My letter to the PMI BoD was passed along to the PMI Standards department. Their response was pretty much a general response. I did get a scheduled WebEx meeting with Dani Ritter, PMI Standards Manager.

During the WebEx we discussed the concerns I raised in my letter to the BoD. I must say it was an open and frank discussion and I appreciated Dani's effort to hold such a discussion.

I must sadly say that neither of us swayed the other's opinion. She is putting faith in letting the process work; e.g., let the Standards Consensus Committee (SCC) reach their decision as to whether the revised draft document should be affirmed or not as the ANSI Standard for Project Management. The SCC's vote is to occur sometime in June.

Hence the effort to hold open discussion as to whether there truly is a broad consensus for affirming the draft standard. My position is there is no broad consensus and a second exposure draft round is warranted.

We will just have to wait and see how all of this plays out.
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Dave Violette Retired| Duke Energy Corporation Mooresville, Nc, United States
May 18, 2020 7:03 PM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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I did take a look, Dave. Most of Jim's discussion is around the Standard for Project Management, not the PMBOK Guide 7.
You are correct Stephane.

Jim's post is mostly about the Standard and not the Guide. However, the Standard is the 1st three chapters of the Guide. Since these chapters are being put forth as an ANSI Standard the process requires there be an public exposure draft of this document. This occurred back in January/February.

Since then the comments have been adjudicated, reviewers who chose to do so submitted appeals for the adjudication decisions they disagreed with (I submitted 19), and those appeals have been adjudicated. The Drafting Committee has revised the document to reflect the changes stemming from those adjudication decisions.

The revised document now stands with the Standards Consensus Body for the next step, which is a vote to affirm or not affirm the revised document as the ANSI approved "Standard for Project Management."

Jim's post and appeal is an attempt to encourage the Consensus Committee to vote to require the draft Standard to go out for another full exposure draft. The basis of his claim can be found in his post.

I for one concur with Jim's appeal. This draft standard desperately needs another exposure draft round. If PMI is to be able to reliably state there is a broad consensus around this revised document that to date no one but the Drafting Committee and the Standards Consensus Committee has seen broader review is needed.

As for the PMBOK7 itself, PMI has already stated there will be NO public exposure for the BOK portion of the document - chapters 4-6. It will go forward with only review/input from the Drafting Committee and the 2 Review Committees (full disclosure I served on both Review Committee 1 & 2). In my opinion the entire PMBOK7 desperately needs its own public exposure draft cycle.

My hope is a second exposure draft for the Standard will not only improve the content of the Standard but also afford an opportunity to convince PMI to do a full exposure draft for the entire PMBOK7.
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Dave Violette Retired| Duke Energy Corporation Mooresville, Nc, United States
May 22, 2020 6:06 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Dave
Thank you for sharing this information with us

I've had the opportunity to read and comment on the topic you are referring to

I'm curious to know PMI's responses to letters (emails) sent
Luis,

My letter to the PMI BoD was passed along to the PMI Standards department. Their response was pretty much a general response. I did get a scheduled WebEx meeting with Dani Ritter, PMI Standards Manager.

During the WebEx we discussed the concerns I raised in my letter to the BoD. I must say it was an open and frank discussion and I appreciated Dani's effort to hold such a discussion.

I must sadly say that neither of us swayed the other's opinion. She is putting faith in letting the process work; e.g., let the Standards Consensus Committee (SCC) reach their decision as to whether the revised draft document should be affirmed or not as the ANSI Standard for Project Management. The SCC's vote is to occur sometime in June.

Hence the effort to hold open discussion as to whether there truly is a broad consensus for affirming the draft standard. My position is there is no broad consensus and a second exposure draft round is warranted.

We will just have to wait and see how all of this plays out.
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1 reply by Phil Akinwale
Aug 05, 2021 1:40 PM
Phil Akinwale
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Dave, I am curious to know if you have reviewed the actual publication and what your thoughts are. Cheers!
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Phil Akinwale Project Management & Leadership Speaker, Coach, Trainer & Author| PRAIZION Mesa, Az, United States
Thanks for bringing my video to the community's attention. I am just about LIVID with what a handfull of people irresponsibly are trifling with. Its a perfect example of the command and control mindset that negates the voice of the people. I see this as the beginning of the end of the PMP exam dominance. Many clients (Prominent ones) of mine are not biting. People will move on and ultimately numbers will drop.
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Phil Akinwale Project Management & Leadership Speaker, Coach, Trainer & Author| PRAIZION Mesa, Az, United States
Feb 26, 2020 10:34 AM
Replying to George Jucan
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Daire, your generalization "The project managers who seem to have a problem with PMBOK V7 are the ones who are using the standard and framework as their centerpiece for their experience and training in project management." is either very simplistic or offensive for those that dare to raise their voice against a move imposed from PMI offices.

I do not have a training business, I'm a practitioner that delivered successful programs of over 100M in IT - my experience is in the field, not in the classroom. I also dedicate my time to contributing back to the profession - including participating in standards development (just open any PMBOK written this century and you'll find my name in the appendix).

And I also have a problem with the new Standard as exposed for public comments - and not with PMBOK 7 as the actual Guide was not even exposed for comments.

Comments about the topic of discussion are welcome, but attacking people because they have a different opinion is unprofessional - and against PMI's own Code of Ethics.
I agree George. Very myopic indeed. I am a project manager and that is my passion. I have worked in a variety of industries from lightweight to heavy weight. There are a number of PMs who have been in the industry for a while and some who are more recent and both camps are irked by PMI's lack of stakeholder engagement and arrogance/ignorance towards its stakeholders. Mark my words. It will lead to the end of an era and that will be unfortunate after all the work put in to the PMI by the sweat of volunteers.
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Phil Akinwale Project Management & Leadership Speaker, Coach, Trainer & Author| PRAIZION Mesa, Az, United States
Apr 23, 2020 2:40 PM
Replying to Jim Branden
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We've often joked, PMI = Put Money In and now it seems that's the only input they will take! Hope the Board of Directors sees the folly of the current direction.
Humorous but also sad. I am hopeful things will get better. Now it is predominantly about the bottom line. They can disguise it but we aren't foolish!
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Phil Akinwale Project Management & Leadership Speaker, Coach, Trainer & Author| PRAIZION Mesa, Az, United States
Feb 08, 2020 4:34 PM
Replying to George Jucan
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Just posted another topic encouraging people to voice their opinion where it matters, on PMI exposure draft platform https://www.pmi.org/pmbok-guide-standards/...exposure-draft.

The change is indeed dramatic, moving to some universally true principles which will wipe out any difference between PMI or non-PMI practitioners - and if everyone is "compliant" then what's the difference between PMI members (and PMP certified) and everyone else?

Personally I think that guiding principles are good and necessary, but as an introduction to the standard not replacing it!

Once again, this change is claimed to be "consensus-based" - so go to the exposure draft, read it for yourselves, and say what you have to say so whomever is promoting this change can see what real PMs think.
Thank you George. It is interesting to learn about other perspectives to the changes.
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