I watched the video for the first seven minutes until the speaker started repeating himself. In my opinion I believe everyone has something that they can contribute to PMBOK Version 7 but the quality and quantity of what they can contribute will greatly vary according the contributors level of experience in delivering Educational content and books. Also PMI needs to maintain some level of continuity between V6 and V7 as to maintain a continuous level of standard in content and examination. The measure of success for PMI in devising content for PMBOK V7 is the amount of project mangers who implement its teachings. PMBOK is an accumulation of lessons learned for projects implemented by its contributors and they are imparting this knowledge to its readers.
Daire
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2 replies by Daire Guiney and Luis Branco
Feb 09, 2020 9:08 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Daire
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
What will happen is a change in the approach to Project Management between the PMBOK Guide 6th Edition and the PMBOK Guide 7th Edition
Feb 09, 2020 11:14 AM
Daire Guiney
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Dear Luis,
Whatever changes that permeate into the PMBOK need to be backed up by real world examples of their use in the PMO. The 'change' of approach by PMI (if it can even be called that) is I believe a mechanism to bring in concepts and approaches from further a field and not necessarily from the usually sources. I was never asked to contribute to PMBOK Version 7 but that didn't put my nose out of joint. Have a little faith and don't bash something that you have no or very little knowledge of its content.
Daire
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 09, 2020 8:34 AM
Replying to Daire Guiney
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Dear Luis,
I watched the video for the first seven minutes until the speaker started repeating himself. In my opinion I believe everyone has something that they can contribute to PMBOK Version 7 but the quality and quantity of what they can contribute will greatly vary according the contributors level of experience in delivering Educational content and books. Also PMI needs to maintain some level of continuity between V6 and V7 as to maintain a continuous level of standard in content and examination. The measure of success for PMI in devising content for PMBOK V7 is the amount of project mangers who implement its teachings. PMBOK is an accumulation of lessons learned for projects implemented by its contributors and they are imparting this knowledge to its readers.
Daire
Dear Daire
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
What will happen is a change in the approach to Project Management between the PMBOK Guide 6th Edition and the PMBOK Guide 7th Edition Saving Changes...
Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
I guess I'm 'old-school'. I joined PMI in the late 80s as their thinking help me understand what I was doing as a project manager. I used the early versions of PMBOK as a 'guide' to help me deal with specific project issues, link the project elements (there were eight at the time). Not only did PMI validate what I was already doing but provided a path gong forward as my project responsibilities where getting greater, projects more complex, stakeholders more concerned with the processes in place to deliver their projects. I became a PMP in the early 90s for a number of reasons - personal satisfaction, sharing with like-minder people and marketing. PMI was never a religion with me nor was the PMBOK a bible - it was a tool, a means to an end. In 2000s I allowed my membership and PMP designation to expire, it had served its purpose. However my interest in project management remains thus I participate in this forum and will do so as long as it suits my purpose.
That being said, I will most likely continue to use the earlier versions of PMBOK as a guide and reference document. Based on what I have read and heard I do not see V7 as a useful tool for me at this time and will not replace the earlier versions with this new 'guide'. However, there may be some areas that will help me understand project delivery better or peak my personal interest thus a copy will find its way onto my shelf. I have many books, guides and papers on my shelf, PMBOK being one, and I use bits and pieces from most to formulate my project management thoughts and enhance my skills.
I don't see PMI mandating project managers to convert to V7 however am concerned that the PMP certification testing will 'encourage' new PMP applicants to modify their thought patterns possibly loosing some time proven methodologies.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Feb 09, 2020 11:03 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Peter
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
If the PMBOK Guide is the Reference Guide for Project Management, it can and should, in my opinion, continue with this positioning
Does version 7 ensure that it continues?
The same applies to PMP certification exams.
There are many people who are unhappy with having failed in this exam.
Will PMI "fall into temptation" and facilitate the exam?
I joined PMI just after the 2008 crisis.
And I did it because of the Code of Ethics and Professional Responsibility
Despite this, that the PMBOK Guide is a body of knowledge that I consult regularly
Fortunately I have the possibility to consult many books on this topic
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 09, 2020 10:44 AM
Replying to Peter Rapin
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I guess I'm 'old-school'. I joined PMI in the late 80s as their thinking help me understand what I was doing as a project manager. I used the early versions of PMBOK as a 'guide' to help me deal with specific project issues, link the project elements (there were eight at the time). Not only did PMI validate what I was already doing but provided a path gong forward as my project responsibilities where getting greater, projects more complex, stakeholders more concerned with the processes in place to deliver their projects. I became a PMP in the early 90s for a number of reasons - personal satisfaction, sharing with like-minder people and marketing. PMI was never a religion with me nor was the PMBOK a bible - it was a tool, a means to an end. In 2000s I allowed my membership and PMP designation to expire, it had served its purpose. However my interest in project management remains thus I participate in this forum and will do so as long as it suits my purpose.
That being said, I will most likely continue to use the earlier versions of PMBOK as a guide and reference document. Based on what I have read and heard I do not see V7 as a useful tool for me at this time and will not replace the earlier versions with this new 'guide'. However, there may be some areas that will help me understand project delivery better or peak my personal interest thus a copy will find its way onto my shelf. I have many books, guides and papers on my shelf, PMBOK being one, and I use bits and pieces from most to formulate my project management thoughts and enhance my skills.
I don't see PMI mandating project managers to convert to V7 however am concerned that the PMP certification testing will 'encourage' new PMP applicants to modify their thought patterns possibly loosing some time proven methodologies.
Dear Peter
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
If the PMBOK Guide is the Reference Guide for Project Management, it can and should, in my opinion, continue with this positioning
Does version 7 ensure that it continues?
The same applies to PMP certification exams.
There are many people who are unhappy with having failed in this exam.
Will PMI "fall into temptation" and facilitate the exam?
I joined PMI just after the 2008 crisis.
And I did it because of the Code of Ethics and Professional Responsibility
Despite this, that the PMBOK Guide is a body of knowledge that I consult regularly
Fortunately I have the possibility to consult many books on this topic
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1 reply by Peter Rapin
Feb 09, 2020 3:09 PM
Peter Rapin
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1) The earlier version of PMBOK will stay on my shelf as long as it serves my needs. V7 may or may not depending its value to me as a reference document. Either way I will at least have a look-see.
2) As to the PMP certification exam, one has to look back and establish its original purpose and determine if this has changed. When I took the test you had to know your material and direct experience helped but I did not find it onerous. My daughter is preparing to take it this year and it seems a little more challenging then it was 30 years ago. But the new generation is smarter and has better tools so shouldn't pose a problem for those who really want it
Make it too hard and people will lose interest - make it too simple and it will have no value.
Another consideration is the money this initiative is generating not only for PMI but also the training industry.
3) the Code of Ethics is interesting but self enforced. Writing a personal one and pinning it to the wall has the same effect.
I watched the video for the first seven minutes until the speaker started repeating himself. In my opinion I believe everyone has something that they can contribute to PMBOK Version 7 but the quality and quantity of what they can contribute will greatly vary according the contributors level of experience in delivering Educational content and books. Also PMI needs to maintain some level of continuity between V6 and V7 as to maintain a continuous level of standard in content and examination. The measure of success for PMI in devising content for PMBOK V7 is the amount of project mangers who implement its teachings. PMBOK is an accumulation of lessons learned for projects implemented by its contributors and they are imparting this knowledge to its readers.
Daire
Dear Luis,
Whatever changes that permeate into the PMBOK need to be backed up by real world examples of their use in the PMO. The 'change' of approach by PMI (if it can even be called that) is I believe a mechanism to bring in concepts and approaches from further a field and not necessarily from the usually sources. I was never asked to contribute to PMBOK Version 7 but that didn't put my nose out of joint. Have a little faith and don't bash something that you have no or very little knowledge of its content.
Daire
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Feb 09, 2020 11:52 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Daire
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
I just shared a video :-)
I love to know people's opinions despite being contradictory
Instead of blind faith, methodical doubt :-)
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 09, 2020 11:14 AM
Replying to Daire Guiney
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Dear Luis,
Whatever changes that permeate into the PMBOK need to be backed up by real world examples of their use in the PMO. The 'change' of approach by PMI (if it can even be called that) is I believe a mechanism to bring in concepts and approaches from further a field and not necessarily from the usually sources. I was never asked to contribute to PMBOK Version 7 but that didn't put my nose out of joint. Have a little faith and don't bash something that you have no or very little knowledge of its content.
Daire
Dear Daire
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
I just shared a video :-)
I love to know people's opinions despite being contradictory
Instead of blind faith, methodical doubt :-)
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1 reply by Daire Guiney
Feb 10, 2020 10:48 AM
Daire Guiney
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Dear Luis,
Methodical doubt backed up by empirical data. I do not think PMI would expect any project manager to act blindly and support or implement principles that are technical unsound or practical impossible to implement. As Peter Rapin discussed in his post, it is about taking the teachings of PMBOK, adding your own flavor or approach to the process that enables you to implement the core PMBOK processes. Release PMBOK Version 7 does not void the teachings of PMBOK 6 or make them wrong to implement. However PMI is recognizing that the Agile and Lean methodologies are the mainstay of the PMO and that these approaches that require less resources but need to be tightly managed is the direction they see the PMO going. Also PMI's discipline Agile will I sure be covered in some depth in PMBOK 7.
Daire
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Andrew SoswaTechnology leader| Leading global financial institutionElk Grove Village, Il, United States
I think that Daire comment and Phil's video are about the same change from methodology to strategy. As you probably know, the PMI "waterfall" methodology fails on many project management fronts, thus it is good that PMI leaders came out of their shell and started process of moving to some "strategic change management". There are many dialectic methodologies that fit the purpose of the delivering value to end customer(s), i.e. waterfall for constructions, Scrum for software.
Change will destroy the old and should bring the new. But I am with Phil on his prognosis that there is a lot of change but no forethought that it destroys a good methodology AND it does not build anything better, just muddles the waters.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Feb 11, 2020 11:21 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Andrew
Thank you for your opinion
Let's see what will happen
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Alexandre CostaScrum Master| Integer Consulting - Pictet technologiesLoures, Portugal
Dear Luis,
Methodical doubt is the exact word. PMI is not a religion so the word faith should never be applied with institutions or companies.
Faith and trust are often used interchangeably, as though they're one and the same. They are not one and the same. In fact, FAITH and TRUST are two entirely different things. Faith has been called “the substance of hope.” Faith requires no evidence for belief nor practice.
Good communication is the mother of all trust, something that is missing in recent times in PMI.
Alexandre
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Feb 10, 2020 2:59 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Alexandre
Thank you for sharing your opinion with us
If there are people who take the time to produce videos, expressing their opinion and concern about the content of the PMBOK Guide 7th Edition, it is revealing that the process of communicating PMI with its stakeholders has to be considered
We agree that Faith and TRUST are different
Does PMI want us to have FAITH instead of TRUST?
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Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
Feb 09, 2020 11:03 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Peter
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
If the PMBOK Guide is the Reference Guide for Project Management, it can and should, in my opinion, continue with this positioning
Does version 7 ensure that it continues?
The same applies to PMP certification exams.
There are many people who are unhappy with having failed in this exam.
Will PMI "fall into temptation" and facilitate the exam?
I joined PMI just after the 2008 crisis.
And I did it because of the Code of Ethics and Professional Responsibility
Despite this, that the PMBOK Guide is a body of knowledge that I consult regularly
Fortunately I have the possibility to consult many books on this topic
1) The earlier version of PMBOK will stay on my shelf as long as it serves my needs. V7 may or may not depending its value to me as a reference document. Either way I will at least have a look-see.
2) As to the PMP certification exam, one has to look back and establish its original purpose and determine if this has changed. When I took the test you had to know your material and direct experience helped but I did not find it onerous. My daughter is preparing to take it this year and it seems a little more challenging then it was 30 years ago. But the new generation is smarter and has better tools so shouldn't pose a problem for those who really want it
Make it too hard and people will lose interest - make it too simple and it will have no value.
Another consideration is the money this initiative is generating not only for PMI but also the training industry.
3) the Code of Ethics is interesting but self enforced. Writing a personal one and pinning it to the wall has the same effect.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Feb 10, 2020 3:16 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Peter Thank you for sharing this message
I agree with the Code of Ethics Principles are personal
It is clear that, as human beings that we are, we tend to join organizations with which we identify. Is the Code of Ethics a reference for joining or not joining organizations?
Do you remember what happened in 2008? The crisis of principles and values of the people who were in front of organizations undermined the world economy Interestingly, these people (the same) create governance as one of the means to "overcome" this hecatomb.
Regarding PMI and PMBOK Guide There is so much choice in relation to organizations that propose project management approaches ...
