George JucanManaging Partner| Organizational Perfomance Enablers NetworkWoodbridge, Ontario, Canada
Feb 10, 2020 11:03 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Kiron
Thank you for your opinion
I took a look at "ExposureDraft - The Standard for Project Management - 7th Edition" and what is published on the internet
Hi Kiron,
This is where the problem is: only "the standard" - a collection of generalities dressed up as "principles" is exposed for public comments, but "the guide" is the one that impacts people the most...
In the past "the guide" was the contribution of hundreds of content providers and reviewers before even reaching exposure draft stage... plus thousands of people commenting on it once exposed. This ensured that it was indeed consensus-based, as hundreds of different perspectives had to be taken in account - and the text continued to improve as such.
7th Edition was written by a small group of people, reviewed by a number of people, and it will be published as such. What makes it then different from any other project management book? It's still the opinions of one or few people, not representing what the majority of practitioners think or do.
As such, wait and have faith approach does not work for me - the process is broken, and very rarely a broken process creates a good result!
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Feb 10, 2020 4:50 PM
Kiron Bondale
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George -
Given the decision to fully rewrite the Guide and the radical shift from a process-centric to a principles-centric model, I doubt a fully democratic, consensus-based approach would have yielded something good in a reasonable timeframe. Previous editions were incremental evolutions - this is a revolution.
The sections which I reviewed as part of Review Team 1 were encouraging so I'm inclined to be optimistic.
This is where the problem is: only "the standard" - a collection of generalities dressed up as "principles" is exposed for public comments, but "the guide" is the one that impacts people the most...
In the past "the guide" was the contribution of hundreds of content providers and reviewers before even reaching exposure draft stage... plus thousands of people commenting on it once exposed. This ensured that it was indeed consensus-based, as hundreds of different perspectives had to be taken in account - and the text continued to improve as such.
7th Edition was written by a small group of people, reviewed by a number of people, and it will be published as such. What makes it then different from any other project management book? It's still the opinions of one or few people, not representing what the majority of practitioners think or do.
As such, wait and have faith approach does not work for me - the process is broken, and very rarely a broken process creates a good result!
George -
Given the decision to fully rewrite the Guide and the radical shift from a process-centric to a principles-centric model, I doubt a fully democratic, consensus-based approach would have yielded something good in a reasonable timeframe. Previous editions were incremental evolutions - this is a revolution.
The sections which I reviewed as part of Review Team 1 were encouraging so I'm inclined to be optimistic.
Kiron
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2 replies by George Jucan and Luis Branco
Feb 10, 2020 5:21 PM
George Jucan
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A "standard" is not a revolutionary work - thought leaders spearhead revolutions through articles, books and speeches, convincing people to adopt innovative ideas and practices. Eventually more and more people adopt them until they become "standard".
There is no standard out there because someone wants it to be a standard - it only becomes so if accepted and followed by the vast majority.
The "standard" as exposed - because is not anchored in widely accepted practices - is simply a book in project management the same as hundreds other out there.
And last thought: I really don't think that we, as project management practitioners, should cut corners for expediency. If we do that in real life with our projects we know how they'll turn out to be - and if we know it's wrong, why would we do this with the standard that guides our activity?
Feb 11, 2020 11:33 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Kiron
Was the community interested in this "revolution"?
Isn't the DA and Flex package enough?
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George JucanManaging Partner| Organizational Perfomance Enablers NetworkWoodbridge, Ontario, Canada
Feb 10, 2020 4:50 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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George -
Given the decision to fully rewrite the Guide and the radical shift from a process-centric to a principles-centric model, I doubt a fully democratic, consensus-based approach would have yielded something good in a reasonable timeframe. Previous editions were incremental evolutions - this is a revolution.
The sections which I reviewed as part of Review Team 1 were encouraging so I'm inclined to be optimistic.
Kiron
A "standard" is not a revolutionary work - thought leaders spearhead revolutions through articles, books and speeches, convincing people to adopt innovative ideas and practices. Eventually more and more people adopt them until they become "standard".
There is no standard out there because someone wants it to be a standard - it only becomes so if accepted and followed by the vast majority.
The "standard" as exposed - because is not anchored in widely accepted practices - is simply a book in project management the same as hundreds other out there.
And last thought: I really don't think that we, as project management practitioners, should cut corners for expediency. If we do that in real life with our projects we know how they'll turn out to be - and if we know it's wrong, why would we do this with the standard that guides our activity?
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2 replies by Kiron Bondale and Luis Branco
Feb 11, 2020 8:02 AM
Kiron Bondale
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I'd agree that we should value quality over expediency, but given that there ARE so many good PM textbooks out there, perhaps this is PMI acknowledging that they should not be trying to produce a de facto global Holy Grail.
I have no insights into why the accelerated (1 year) timeline was set for the 7th edition, but given that constraint, the approach taken does make sense.
I do also fully support the shift to a principles-based approach since there simply is no way that a single document could effectively capture the wide range of practices used in the profession without further irritating those folks who complained about the non-linear increase in the total number of pages.
Kiron
Feb 11, 2020 11:35 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear George
Thank you for sharing your opinion with us
A "standard" is not a revolutionary work - thought leaders spearhead revolutions through articles, books and speeches, convincing people to adopt innovative ideas and practices. Eventually more and more people adopt them until they become "standard".
There is no standard out there because someone wants it to be a standard - it only becomes so if accepted and followed by the vast majority.
The "standard" as exposed - because is not anchored in widely accepted practices - is simply a book in project management the same as hundreds other out there.
And last thought: I really don't think that we, as project management practitioners, should cut corners for expediency. If we do that in real life with our projects we know how they'll turn out to be - and if we know it's wrong, why would we do this with the standard that guides our activity?
I'd agree that we should value quality over expediency, but given that there ARE so many good PM textbooks out there, perhaps this is PMI acknowledging that they should not be trying to produce a de facto global Holy Grail.
I have no insights into why the accelerated (1 year) timeline was set for the 7th edition, but given that constraint, the approach taken does make sense.
I do also fully support the shift to a principles-based approach since there simply is no way that a single document could effectively capture the wide range of practices used in the profession without further irritating those folks who complained about the non-linear increase in the total number of pages.
Kiron
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1 reply by George Jucan
Feb 11, 2020 11:00 AM
George Jucan
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I also agree that we need guiding principles as an introduction and foundation to standards - not replacing them! If they were introduced as "here's what we believe in, and this is why we do what we do" followed by what we do in practice to implement the principles.
I also agree that the standard + PMBOK should not be a 1000 pages book, but in this case the pendulum swung too far in the other side, and produced a "standard" that says almost nothing. Frankly, for me it would be hard to point to a PM (even ones that are only PMs by name) that is not in compliance with the proposed "standard" - and if there's no distinction, what is the standard good for?
Lastly, I personally find problematic accepting "do what you can and produce something - anything - within a year" when we're talking about a standard that's supposed to be fundamental for us as practitioners. PMI is our association, there can be no external constraint imposed on what's important for us.
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Craig PerueSenior Consultant & Research Fellow| Mona School of Business & Management, The University of the West IndiesJamaica
Luis, thanks for posting this very productive question.
One of the reasons PMI's standards and guides has greater credibility than competing organizations is the appearance (at least) of greater consultation with practitioners and academics in the production of those standards and guides. Unfortunately, Phil's video along with many of the comments I have read here and elsewhere, suggests that PMI's stakeholder management has not met the expectations of some community members. However, we need to acknowledge that the comment period for the exposure draft is intended to allow stakeholders - like Phil - to weigh in.
Phil has a problem not only with the process, but with the product - the Draft Standard. Having worked with the PMBOK since the second edition, I have proudly paraded the sixth edition through my university and executive education classes as a volume worthy of study, even as I pointed out the weaknesses regarding leadership and people issues. I suspect that in the near-term, in my university lecturer and project management coach roles, I will continue to use PMBOK v6 as the expert guide to project management processes, and add PMBOK v7 as a second reference volume.
Craig.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Feb 11, 2020 11:41 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Craig
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
In my opinion there were things to improve in version 6 of the PMBOK Guide. For example: having put resources and people in the same bag
What is behind this "revolution"?
There's a lot to be told
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George JucanManaging Partner| Organizational Perfomance Enablers NetworkWoodbridge, Ontario, Canada
Feb 11, 2020 8:02 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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I'd agree that we should value quality over expediency, but given that there ARE so many good PM textbooks out there, perhaps this is PMI acknowledging that they should not be trying to produce a de facto global Holy Grail.
I have no insights into why the accelerated (1 year) timeline was set for the 7th edition, but given that constraint, the approach taken does make sense.
I do also fully support the shift to a principles-based approach since there simply is no way that a single document could effectively capture the wide range of practices used in the profession without further irritating those folks who complained about the non-linear increase in the total number of pages.
Kiron
I also agree that we need guiding principles as an introduction and foundation to standards - not replacing them! If they were introduced as "here's what we believe in, and this is why we do what we do" followed by what we do in practice to implement the principles.
I also agree that the standard + PMBOK should not be a 1000 pages book, but in this case the pendulum swung too far in the other side, and produced a "standard" that says almost nothing. Frankly, for me it would be hard to point to a PM (even ones that are only PMs by name) that is not in compliance with the proposed "standard" - and if there's no distinction, what is the standard good for?
Lastly, I personally find problematic accepting "do what you can and produce something - anything - within a year" when we're talking about a standard that's supposed to be fundamental for us as practitioners. PMI is our association, there can be no external constraint imposed on what's important for us. Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
The change is indeed dramatic, moving to some universally true principles which will wipe out any difference between PMI or non-PMI practitioners - and if everyone is "compliant" then what's the difference between PMI members (and PMP certified) and everyone else?
Personally I think that guiding principles are good and necessary, but as an introduction to the standard not replacing it!
Once again, this change is claimed to be "consensus-based" - so go to the exposure draft, read it for yourselves, and say what you have to say so whomever is promoting this change can see what real PMs think.
Dear George
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
Do you really believe that we will be able to change the approach?
From Principles to Processes?
I agree. It is in the right place that we can (and should) give our opinion
This community, ProjectManagement.com is not that location?
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1 reply by George Jucan
Feb 11, 2020 11:44 AM
George Jucan
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I think that the practitioners voices must be heard - the most efficient place should be the Exposure Draft tool https://www.pmi.org/pmbok-guide-standards/...-exposure-draft because each submitted comment MUST be replied by the PMBOK 7 team - so if they see enough comments in a certain direction one would hope that they will stop and think it through.
Of course other discussions like here, on PMI's social platform (so I hope someone is paying attention to trends) and LinkedIn are useful, but there's no guarantee that the right people will know about them... so I would encourage anyone that has anything to say to do it by using the Exposure Draft avenue - but time is running out as commenting period closes this Friday!
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 08, 2020 10:10 PM
Replying to Andrew Soswa
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I don't understand why everyone is "putting head in the sand". Are we bound by silence and secrecy once we join PMI?
Phil has a valid point on the research - secretive work behind the scenes is not good research because the best research is peer reviewed. Somehow it is preached in PMI Journal of Management, why it is not professed by the writers of the webpage that Phil comments on.
I want to revisit this post after August 1st and see how many Phil's predictions will come true.
Dear Andrew
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
When I created this post, that was exactly my intention: to promote a debate about the pros and cons of the Project Management approach that will be used in the PMBOK Guide 7th Edition Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 09, 2020 1:27 PM
Replying to Andrew Soswa
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I think that Daire comment and Phil's video are about the same change from methodology to strategy. As you probably know, the PMI "waterfall" methodology fails on many project management fronts, thus it is good that PMI leaders came out of their shell and started process of moving to some "strategic change management". There are many dialectic methodologies that fit the purpose of the delivering value to end customer(s), i.e. waterfall for constructions, Scrum for software.
Change will destroy the old and should bring the new. But I am with Phil on his prognosis that there is a lot of change but no forethought that it destroys a good methodology AND it does not build anything better, just muddles the waters.
Dear Andrew
Thank you for your opinion
Let's see what will happen Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 10, 2020 12:10 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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I agree with you Kiron and this is why I refrained from commenting as it is too early !
Dear Rami
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
If this is not the time to reflect on the 7th Edition of the PMBOK Guide, when will it be?
After being adopted?
Or in preparation for the 8th Edition? Saving Changes...