Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 09, 2020 1:57 PM
Replying to Alexandre Costa
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Dear Luis,
Methodical doubt is the exact word. PMI is not a religion so the word faith should never be applied with institutions or companies.
Faith and trust are often used interchangeably, as though they're one and the same. They are not one and the same. In fact, FAITH and TRUST are two entirely different things. Faith has been called “the substance of hope.” Faith requires no evidence for belief nor practice.
Good communication is the mother of all trust, something that is missing in recent times in PMI.
Alexandre
Dear Alexandre
Thank you for sharing your opinion with us
If there are people who take the time to produce videos, expressing their opinion and concern about the content of the PMBOK Guide 7th Edition, it is revealing that the process of communicating PMI with its stakeholders has to be considered
We agree that Faith and TRUST are different
Does PMI want us to have FAITH instead of TRUST? Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 09, 2020 3:09 PM
Replying to Peter Rapin
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1) The earlier version of PMBOK will stay on my shelf as long as it serves my needs. V7 may or may not depending its value to me as a reference document. Either way I will at least have a look-see.
2) As to the PMP certification exam, one has to look back and establish its original purpose and determine if this has changed. When I took the test you had to know your material and direct experience helped but I did not find it onerous. My daughter is preparing to take it this year and it seems a little more challenging then it was 30 years ago. But the new generation is smarter and has better tools so shouldn't pose a problem for those who really want it
Make it too hard and people will lose interest - make it too simple and it will have no value.
Another consideration is the money this initiative is generating not only for PMI but also the training industry.
3) the Code of Ethics is interesting but self enforced. Writing a personal one and pinning it to the wall has the same effect.
Dear Peter Thank you for sharing this message
I agree with the Code of Ethics Principles are personal
It is clear that, as human beings that we are, we tend to join organizations with which we identify. Is the Code of Ethics a reference for joining or not joining organizations?
Do you remember what happened in 2008? The crisis of principles and values of the people who were in front of organizations undermined the world economy Interestingly, these people (the same) create governance as one of the means to "overcome" this hecatomb.
Regarding PMI and PMBOK Guide There is so much choice in relation to organizations that propose project management approaches ... Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 09, 2020 4:04 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Don't forget that PMI will be providing a lot of what used to be in the previous editions of the Guide in their Standards Plus online platform...
Kiron
Dear Kiron
Thank you for participating in this reflection and your opinion
It's the same thing?
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Feb 10, 2020 8:49 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Standards Plus will eventually go well beyond the content which was in the Guide, but this will happen incrementally over time. We all need to wait and see what will be part of the initial official launch, but you can certainly access it now to see what's there.
Dear Kiron
Thank you for participating in this reflection and your opinion
It's the same thing?
Standards Plus will eventually go well beyond the content which was in the Guide, but this will happen incrementally over time. We all need to wait and see what will be part of the initial official launch, but you can certainly access it now to see what's there.
Kiron
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Feb 10, 2020 11:03 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Kiron
Thank you for your opinion
I took a look at "ExposureDraft - The Standard for Project Management - 7th Edition" and what is published on the internet
Dear Daire
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
I just shared a video :-)
I love to know people's opinions despite being contradictory
Instead of blind faith, methodical doubt :-)
Dear Luis,
Methodical doubt backed up by empirical data. I do not think PMI would expect any project manager to act blindly and support or implement principles that are technical unsound or practical impossible to implement. As Peter Rapin discussed in his post, it is about taking the teachings of PMBOK, adding your own flavor or approach to the process that enables you to implement the core PMBOK processes. Release PMBOK Version 7 does not void the teachings of PMBOK 6 or make them wrong to implement. However PMI is recognizing that the Agile and Lean methodologies are the mainstay of the PMO and that these approaches that require less resources but need to be tightly managed is the direction they see the PMO going. Also PMI's discipline Agile will I sure be covered in some depth in PMBOK 7.
Daire
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Feb 10, 2020 11:10 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Daire Thank you for your opinion
We agree: there is much more to life than the PMBOK Guide, no matter which edition
As I mentioned, I defend the idea that it is important to separate the waters: What is the content of PMBOK Guide do and content of DA
Whatever happens will definitely determine my choices
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 10, 2020 8:49 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Standards Plus will eventually go well beyond the content which was in the Guide, but this will happen incrementally over time. We all need to wait and see what will be part of the initial official launch, but you can certainly access it now to see what's there.
Kiron
Dear Kiron
Thank you for your opinion
I took a look at "ExposureDraft - The Standard for Project Management - 7th Edition" and what is published on the internet
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2 replies by George Jucan and Kiron Bondale
Feb 10, 2020 11:33 AM
Kiron Bondale
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That is just the Standard... would suggest that everyone hold judgment until they review the full Guide once it is published online.
Having provided my feedback on the latter, I can say that it is a quality product and in combination with Standards Plus, should address most of the concerns I've heard to date.
Feb 10, 2020 2:01 PM
George Jucan
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Hi Kiron,
This is where the problem is: only "the standard" - a collection of generalities dressed up as "principles" is exposed for public comments, but "the guide" is the one that impacts people the most...
In the past "the guide" was the contribution of hundreds of content providers and reviewers before even reaching exposure draft stage... plus thousands of people commenting on it once exposed. This ensured that it was indeed consensus-based, as hundreds of different perspectives had to be taken in account - and the text continued to improve as such.
7th Edition was written by a small group of people, reviewed by a number of people, and it will be published as such. What makes it then different from any other project management book? It's still the opinions of one or few people, not representing what the majority of practitioners think or do.
As such, wait and have faith approach does not work for me - the process is broken, and very rarely a broken process creates a good result!
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Feb 10, 2020 10:48 AM
Replying to Daire Guiney
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Dear Luis,
Methodical doubt backed up by empirical data. I do not think PMI would expect any project manager to act blindly and support or implement principles that are technical unsound or practical impossible to implement. As Peter Rapin discussed in his post, it is about taking the teachings of PMBOK, adding your own flavor or approach to the process that enables you to implement the core PMBOK processes. Release PMBOK Version 7 does not void the teachings of PMBOK 6 or make them wrong to implement. However PMI is recognizing that the Agile and Lean methodologies are the mainstay of the PMO and that these approaches that require less resources but need to be tightly managed is the direction they see the PMO going. Also PMI's discipline Agile will I sure be covered in some depth in PMBOK 7.
Daire
Dear Daire Thank you for your opinion
We agree: there is much more to life than the PMBOK Guide, no matter which edition
As I mentioned, I defend the idea that it is important to separate the waters: What is the content of PMBOK Guide do and content of DA
Whatever happens will definitely determine my choices Saving Changes...
I took a look at "ExposureDraft - The Standard for Project Management - 7th Edition" and what is published on the internet
That is just the Standard... would suggest that everyone hold judgment until they review the full Guide once it is published online.
Having provided my feedback on the latter, I can say that it is a quality product and in combination with Standards Plus, should address most of the concerns I've heard to date.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Feb 10, 2020 12:10 PM
Rami Kaibni
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I agree with you Kiron and this is why I refrained from commenting as it is too early !
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Feb 10, 2020 11:33 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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That is just the Standard... would suggest that everyone hold judgment until they review the full Guide once it is published online.
Having provided my feedback on the latter, I can say that it is a quality product and in combination with Standards Plus, should address most of the concerns I've heard to date.
I agree with you Kiron and this is why I refrained from commenting as it is too early !
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Feb 11, 2020 11:25 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Rami
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion
If this is not the time to reflect on the 7th Edition of the PMBOK Guide, when will it be?
After being adopted?
Or in preparation for the 8th Edition?
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George JucanManaging Partner| Organizational Perfomance Enablers NetworkWoodbridge, Ontario, Canada
Feb 08, 2020 10:10 PM
Replying to Andrew Soswa
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I don't understand why everyone is "putting head in the sand". Are we bound by silence and secrecy once we join PMI?
Phil has a valid point on the research - secretive work behind the scenes is not good research because the best research is peer reviewed. Somehow it is preached in PMI Journal of Management, why it is not professed by the writers of the webpage that Phil comments on.
I want to revisit this post after August 1st and see how many Phil's predictions will come true.
We are certainly not bound by silence - there are 3 more days of exposure for the draft at https://www.pmi.org/pmbok-guide-standards/...exposure-draft, I would encourage everyone to express your comments there, where they could make a difference (one would hope!) Saving Changes...
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