Thank you Thomas. I went through the webinar. Yes looks like quite a revolution the way it is going to be presented. A leaner standard and guide. We need to get rid of this overstuffing, thats quite the problem with the current edition, that the new approach seems to adopt. PMBOK guide and standards would be supplemented by online digital stuff. thats quite interesting. No more process groups and water tight compartments. It would flow through as systems and subsystems in different domains. Looks exciting.
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George JucanManaging Partner| Organizational Perfomance Enablers NetworkWoodbridge, Ontario, Canada
Feb 26, 2020 2:06 PM
Replying to Daire Guiney
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Dear George,
The whole debate has been around the change in approach being taken with regards how PMI structures PMBOK V7 and what content is included.
Why would PMI want to release a book when the content has already being cover in version 7 and previous editions of the book. The whole idea of releasing a new version is because you have some new, diiferent, relevant, more recent and interesting to say so that there is an uptake in those who wish to purchase the book and implement its teachings.
Daire
Hi Daire,
That's a good argument for books and articles, not for standards - one of the main attributes of standards is consistency. Standards evolve, don't get reinvented... what if the metric system gets reinvented, or the voltage changes on your power line?
In fact, the "new, diiferent, relevant, more recent and interesting" argument goes against your previous assertion that the ones complaining are the trainers... trainers would love the change, gives them more business because everyone now will need training on the new approach... Saving Changes...
JUAN GONZALEZDirector| Pemepe ProyectosC.A.B.A, Argentina
The change is indeed dramatic, moving to some universally true principles which will wipe out any difference between PMI or non-PMI practitioners - and if everyone is "compliant" then what's the difference between PMI members (and PMP certified) and everyone else?
Personally I think that guiding principles are good and necessary, but as an introduction to the standard not replacing it!
Once again, this change is claimed to be "consensus-based" - so go to the exposure draft, read it for yourselves, and say what you have to say so whomever is promoting this change can see what real PMs think.
Hello George, the exposure draft is not available anymore. I could not read it. Where can I find a copy?
Thanks you
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2 replies by Rami Kaibni and Vincent Guerard
Feb 27, 2020 5:00 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Juan
The review for the standards exposure draft ended February 14, 2020 so now it is no longer available for review.
RK
Feb 27, 2020 9:10 PM
Vincent Guerard
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Juan, Rami,
The exposure draft was the first part of the full PMBOK, the Standard. I believe the second part, Body of Knowledge, should be in the exposure draft soon.
Hello George, the exposure draft is not available anymore. I could not read it. Where can I find a copy?
Thanks you
Juan, Rami,
The exposure draft was the first part of the full PMBOK, the Standard. I believe the second part, Body of Knowledge, should be in the exposure draft soon.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Feb 28, 2020 1:22 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Vincent
I know this and that's what I mentioned "The Standards". However, I am not sure if there is be an exposure draft for the Body of Knowledge.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Feb 27, 2020 9:10 PM
Replying to Vincent Guerard
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Juan, Rami,
The exposure draft was the first part of the full PMBOK, the Standard. I believe the second part, Body of Knowledge, should be in the exposure draft soon.
Vincent
I know this and that's what I mentioned "The Standards". However, I am not sure if there is be an exposure draft for the Body of Knowledge.
RK
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1 reply by Dave Violette
Feb 28, 2020 9:22 PM
Dave Violette
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Vincent,
PMI has already announced that it does not intend to publish the PMBOK(R) Guide - Seventh Edition as an exposure draft. Thus, no one from the project management community who did not participate on one of the review teams during its development, will have a chance to review and comment or even see it prior to its final publication.
This is actually one of my key complaints. The Seventh Edition update will be the very first time PMI has not released a public exposure draft version of The PMBOK(R) Guide update for comment prior to its publication. With the magnitude of change being put forth with this update, I personally feel a full exposure draft is warranted.
I am not saying the upcoming changes are necessarily wrong or bad. Its just as an "old organizational change management practitioner," I feel this magnitude of change warrants broader not less public review and comment. How else will you gather real feedback on whether or not the changes can be accepted by the project management community?
As mentioned before, only time will tell whether the changes will be accepted.
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Dave VioletteRetired| Duke Energy CorporationMooresville, Nc, United States
Feb 28, 2020 1:22 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Vincent
I know this and that's what I mentioned "The Standards". However, I am not sure if there is be an exposure draft for the Body of Knowledge.
RK
Vincent,
PMI has already announced that it does not intend to publish the PMBOK(R) Guide - Seventh Edition as an exposure draft. Thus, no one from the project management community who did not participate on one of the review teams during its development, will have a chance to review and comment or even see it prior to its final publication.
This is actually one of my key complaints. The Seventh Edition update will be the very first time PMI has not released a public exposure draft version of The PMBOK(R) Guide update for comment prior to its publication. With the magnitude of change being put forth with this update, I personally feel a full exposure draft is warranted.
I am not saying the upcoming changes are necessarily wrong or bad. Its just as an "old organizational change management practitioner," I feel this magnitude of change warrants broader not less public review and comment. How else will you gather real feedback on whether or not the changes can be accepted by the project management community?
As mentioned before, only time will tell whether the changes will be accepted. Saving Changes...
RAMESH PBAuthorised Training Partner - PMI for PMP & PMI-ACP| educationChennai, Tamil Nadu, India
Thank you Thomas. I went through the webinar. Yes looks like quite a revolution the way it is going to be presented. A leaner standard and guide. We need to get rid of this overstuffing, thats quite the problem with the current edition, that the new approach seems to adopt. PMBOK guide and standards would be supplemented by online digital stuff. thats quite interesting. No more process groups and water tight compartments. It would flow through as systems and subsystems in different domains. Looks exciting. Saving Changes...
RAMESH PBAuthorised Training Partner - PMI for PMP & PMI-ACP| educationChennai, Tamil Nadu, India
Feb 26, 2020 11:10 AM
Replying to Dave Violette
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This whole point is one point that is distressing me. With PMI going back to making the Standard the first three chapters in the Guide, they will be regressing back to the old problem of people confusing The Standard for Project Management with the PMBOK(R) Guide. With the Sixth Edition they finally broke that paradigm.
It is sort of like the debate over process groups. Ever since they were first formulated with the 1996 Edition of the PMBOK(R) Guide they have constantly promoted that the process groups are NOT a life cycle. Just look at the amount of text in each subsequent edition devoted to explaining process groups are not life cycles. The PM community still thinks the opposite.
Dave,
This link really helps understand the context of PMBOK7 revison.
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