Jim BrandenSenior Project Manager| Retired from UNC Charlotte - IT Services - PPMOCharlotte, Nc, United States
I viewed the YouTube. As a "Public Exposure contributor" to the Third and Fifth Editions, I also contributed to the Seventh Edition's public exposure process. I have two major concerns:
1st - I question the POLICY decision to only release the 'Standard' (old and discarded content starts on page 541 in the 6th Ed.) but not release" 1-Preface and 2-Chapters 3-13 (now going to the "Standards Plus Digital Content Platform".
2nd - I question the validity of the final edits based on the feedback to my comments. 17 of my recommendations (for improvements) resulted in 211 lines (14% of the document) being "eliminated" (PMI's term) and replaced with undisclosed content including a new figure!
I have officially requested a Second Public Exposure cycle.
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1 reply by George Jucan
Apr 14, 2020 2:56 PM
George Jucan
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I had a very similar experience - most of my comments were responded with "content was eliminated" or "content was rewritten based on multiple comments" with no additional details as to the new text introduced.
I was on the other side in the past, review and Core Team, and I remember having to include the new text in the response... I guess rules have relaxed in the meantime...
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Jim BrandenSenior Project Manager| Retired from UNC Charlotte - IT Services - PPMOCharlotte, Nc, United States
Feb 25, 2020 3:00 PM
Replying to Dave Violette
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Very interesting discussion around the changes with the new update to PMBOK7. Sorry in advance for my rather long post.
It is quite right that what PMI has publicly exposed is only The Standard for Project Management. The actual PMBOK® Guide itself will not be fully exposed for public comment. Though The Standard for Project Management is the first three chapters of the Guide.
This is what makes the Standard a deficient standard – it is NOT written as a standard but more as a summary textbook. This is also bringing back one of the big deficiencies the PMBOK® Guide struggled with since the Third Edition was adopted as an approved ANSI standard. The Standard was chapter 3 of the Guide, not the entire PMBOK® Guide. PMI struggled through each of the updates to get the message across that the Guide was NOT the Standard. Finally, with the Sixth Edition update, The Standard for Project Management was packaged as a standalone document (the cover of the PMBOK® Guide no longer carried the ANSI standard logo, it was on the cover for the Standard). With the Seventh Edition update, I fear we will be back to people believing the entire PMBOK® Guide is the Standard.
As a standard, what PMI exposed for public comment with the Seventh Edition falls way short.
• It is just general discussion.
• It introduces a value delivery model but leaves anything around how one could assess whether your project is in alignment with this model.
• It introduces 12 so called Project Management Principles that are more like general management value statements and takes over half of the document to discuss these principles. If these are truly the fundamental principles of project management, why does it take 17 pages to list them? If you need to have 17 pages of text to understand and recognize these principles, are they really principles?
• Again, there is no discussion around how one could assess whether your project is in alignment with these principles.
• There is no real discussion on other key project management concerns, e.g., life cycles, constraints, etc.
As for the PMBOK® Guide itself, the changes are just as dramatic. As pointed out in the video posted by Phil and referenced by Luis, the entire structure of the Guide will change. As already stated, the first three chapters will be what is exposed as the Standard. While these first three chapters do not make a good standard, they could serve as introductory chapters to the Guide. The rest of the Guide is to be broken down into three additional chapters:
• Performance Domains – listing 8 broad areas of focus for project delivery, which include complementary areas of activities and functions. These are not directly tied to the previous Knowledge Areas but rather focus on these complementary areas of activities
• Tailoring – an entire chapter discussing importance of and general approach for tailoring specific approaches and methods for managing a project
• Models, Methods, and Artifacts – a final chapter discussing various management thinking models as well as discussion on various methods and artifacts that can contribute to effective project management
Thus, as Phil points out in his YouTube video, the entire structure of the PMBOK® Guide is radically changing. Only time will tell whether these changes will be accepted by the project management community.
What can be said right now, as evidenced by discussion threads such as this one, PMI’s change management efforts for this level of change is falling way short. The project management community, especially the PMI member community, should be much better informed about the changes coming, the justification for the changes including the vetting and validation for these changes, and how they can be more engaged in reviewing and responding to the changes.
As a minimum, I encourage PMI to rethink their decision to not send the entire PMBOK® Guide through a full public exposure draft process so they can get direct feedback from the broader project management community. This is the only way to obtain direct feedback from the broader community prior to publishing the Guide.
Dave thanks for the straight talk. Jim
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1 reply by George Jucan
Apr 14, 2020 2:59 PM
George Jucan
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Thank you Dave for the details - in addition to your comments, I would really like to know what research supported such dramatic changes... I keep hearing "research indicated..." but no clear statement about what research was that, nor where (or if) it was published...
I remember the extensive research we had to submit to introduce the Stakeholders KA, so I hope something similar was done for this complete restructuring... but where is that research? Everybody in the standards area is tight-lipped about it...
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George JucanManaging Partner| Organizational Perfomance Enablers NetworkWoodbridge, Ontario, Canada
Apr 14, 2020 12:33 PM
Replying to Jim Branden
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I viewed the YouTube. As a "Public Exposure contributor" to the Third and Fifth Editions, I also contributed to the Seventh Edition's public exposure process. I have two major concerns:
1st - I question the POLICY decision to only release the 'Standard' (old and discarded content starts on page 541 in the 6th Ed.) but not release" 1-Preface and 2-Chapters 3-13 (now going to the "Standards Plus Digital Content Platform".
2nd - I question the validity of the final edits based on the feedback to my comments. 17 of my recommendations (for improvements) resulted in 211 lines (14% of the document) being "eliminated" (PMI's term) and replaced with undisclosed content including a new figure!
I have officially requested a Second Public Exposure cycle.
I had a very similar experience - most of my comments were responded with "content was eliminated" or "content was rewritten based on multiple comments" with no additional details as to the new text introduced.
I was on the other side in the past, review and Core Team, and I remember having to include the new text in the response... I guess rules have relaxed in the meantime...
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1 reply by Jim Branden
Apr 14, 2020 3:46 PM
Jim Branden
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What does the Code of Ethics say about transparency in communications?
I'd also like to know how many individuals contributed content to the doc and how many contributed recommendations in the Pub. Exp? And how many recommendations did the Pub. Exp. generate?
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George JucanManaging Partner| Organizational Perfomance Enablers NetworkWoodbridge, Ontario, Canada
Apr 14, 2020 12:36 PM
Replying to Jim Branden
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Dave thanks for the straight talk. Jim
Thank you Dave for the details - in addition to your comments, I would really like to know what research supported such dramatic changes... I keep hearing "research indicated..." but no clear statement about what research was that, nor where (or if) it was published...
I remember the extensive research we had to submit to introduce the Stakeholders KA, so I hope something similar was done for this complete restructuring... but where is that research? Everybody in the standards area is tight-lipped about it... Saving Changes...
Jim BrandenSenior Project Manager| Retired from UNC Charlotte - IT Services - PPMOCharlotte, Nc, United States
Apr 14, 2020 2:56 PM
Replying to George Jucan
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I had a very similar experience - most of my comments were responded with "content was eliminated" or "content was rewritten based on multiple comments" with no additional details as to the new text introduced.
I was on the other side in the past, review and Core Team, and I remember having to include the new text in the response... I guess rules have relaxed in the meantime...
What does the Code of Ethics say about transparency in communications?
I'd also like to know how many individuals contributed content to the doc and how many contributed recommendations in the Pub. Exp? And how many recommendations did the Pub. Exp. generate? Saving Changes...
George JucanManaging Partner| Organizational Perfomance Enablers NetworkWoodbridge, Ontario, Canada
Hello again,
Over the last weeks/months there were a lot of unfavorable comments (to be polite) about the new PMBOK Guide - but nobody "up there" seems to be paying attention. And now, with the bigger worldwide issues related to COVIT-19, this seems to be completely swept under the rug.
However, the pandemic will pass sometime, and we'll be left in hand with a PMBOK that received over 5000 comments for 27 pages of text - how can this text have consensus? To not even mention that most comments were responded with "text was eliminated" - so what's going to be left, couple of pages to represent "the standard for project management"?
There is no second exposure for "the standard" to ensure that the remaining text has consensus, there is no exposure for the Guide itself - which is the most of the document. How can this be claimed to represent the collective knowledge and expertise of the project management community?
I'm hearing about a number of people fed up with an ineffective process that plan to send letters directly to the Board of Directors members - at the end of the day, they are our representatives and the highest governance authority, so whom better to listen to our concerns.
I plan to join the chorus and send a letter myself - and I encourage every one that has something to say on this essential issue for PMI community to do the same (maybe if they receive enough letters they will take action).
George, AMEN, I already wrote the board and others:
Apr 22, 2020 8:29 PM
Dave Violette
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George - my letter to the PMI BOD and CEO went out this evening. Now waiting to hear back.
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Jim BrandenSenior Project Manager| Retired from UNC Charlotte - IT Services - PPMOCharlotte, Nc, United States
Apr 20, 2020 6:22 PM
Replying to George Jucan
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Hello again,
Over the last weeks/months there were a lot of unfavorable comments (to be polite) about the new PMBOK Guide - but nobody "up there" seems to be paying attention. And now, with the bigger worldwide issues related to COVIT-19, this seems to be completely swept under the rug.
However, the pandemic will pass sometime, and we'll be left in hand with a PMBOK that received over 5000 comments for 27 pages of text - how can this text have consensus? To not even mention that most comments were responded with "text was eliminated" - so what's going to be left, couple of pages to represent "the standard for project management"?
There is no second exposure for "the standard" to ensure that the remaining text has consensus, there is no exposure for the Guide itself - which is the most of the document. How can this be claimed to represent the collective knowledge and expertise of the project management community?
I'm hearing about a number of people fed up with an ineffective process that plan to send letters directly to the Board of Directors members - at the end of the day, they are our representatives and the highest governance authority, so whom better to listen to our concerns.
I plan to join the chorus and send a letter myself - and I encourage every one that has something to say on this essential issue for PMI community to do the same (maybe if they receive enough letters they will take action).
George, AMEN, I already wrote the board and others: Saving Changes...
Dave VioletteRetired| Duke Energy CorporationMooresville, Nc, United States
Apr 20, 2020 6:22 PM
Replying to George Jucan
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Hello again,
Over the last weeks/months there were a lot of unfavorable comments (to be polite) about the new PMBOK Guide - but nobody "up there" seems to be paying attention. And now, with the bigger worldwide issues related to COVIT-19, this seems to be completely swept under the rug.
However, the pandemic will pass sometime, and we'll be left in hand with a PMBOK that received over 5000 comments for 27 pages of text - how can this text have consensus? To not even mention that most comments were responded with "text was eliminated" - so what's going to be left, couple of pages to represent "the standard for project management"?
There is no second exposure for "the standard" to ensure that the remaining text has consensus, there is no exposure for the Guide itself - which is the most of the document. How can this be claimed to represent the collective knowledge and expertise of the project management community?
I'm hearing about a number of people fed up with an ineffective process that plan to send letters directly to the Board of Directors members - at the end of the day, they are our representatives and the highest governance authority, so whom better to listen to our concerns.
I plan to join the chorus and send a letter myself - and I encourage every one that has something to say on this essential issue for PMI community to do the same (maybe if they receive enough letters they will take action).
George - my letter to the PMI BOD and CEO went out this evening. Now waiting to hear back.
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1 reply by Daire Guiney
Apr 23, 2020 5:19 AM
Daire Guiney
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Dear Dave,
What do you expect your letter to achieve and what changes would you like PMI to make to the PMBOK Version 7 that would ease your worries.
Daire
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dearest I am convinced that PMI is more concerned with the new strategy (Cross Selling) than adding value to the project management profession
Otherwise let's see: 1. Introduction of the DA (and its multiple certifications) in the product portfolio 2. Creation of project management careers with different levels: - Entry - Associate - Professional - Master - Executive
A set of certifications for each level
3. Placing content on project management on a platform that, to have access, you must be a member of PMI
The rationale behind this strategy: Take advantage of the 1,000,000 PMP certified people to cross-sell and, as a result, increase revenue
Questions: - Does this strategy benefit people who exercise their profession in the field of Project Management?
- Where does the result (dollars) of this strategy go?
I believe that they will make "ears of merchant" in relation to those who are interested in the knowledge and its application in the Project Management profession Saving Changes...
George - my letter to the PMI BOD and CEO went out this evening. Now waiting to hear back.
Dear Dave,
What do you expect your letter to achieve and what changes would you like PMI to make to the PMBOK Version 7 that would ease your worries.
Daire
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1 reply by Dave Violette
Apr 24, 2020 10:51 AM
Dave Violette
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Daire.
There were 5 key issues I raised in my letter to the PMI BoD. I believe if PMI were to fail to address these concerns, there would be a real threat to PMI’s credibility, membership numbers, certifications, ‘reputation’, and trust as a member association. This is not just a ‘global solutions/standards program’ issue. PMI would not exist were it not for its Body of Knowledge (BOK) and practitioners. Take the BOK away and PMI would be nothing; the BOK permeates and influences everything PMI does. Loss of credibility for the BOK will undermine and ultimately destroy the association.
The concerns with the recommended actions addressed in my letter include:
1. Inadequacies with the updated version of The Standard for Project Management
• Separate The Standard for Project Management and the PMBOK® Guide-Seventh Edition into 2 separate documents drafted specifically for their intended purpose. This would allow each document to stand on its own while staying aligned.
• Rewrite The Standard for Project Management as a succinct rather than textbook style document more in line with a Standard. The Standard can pull from the same general content as discussed in the Guide but would be written more as a summary of the content rather than a textbook discussion.
• Put missing standard-critical content contained in the Guide also in the Standard, i.e., high-level discussion on the ‘what’s and why’s’ for project life cycles, Project Delivery Principles application, performance domains, and tailoring
2. Inadequate explanation for how the Project Management Principles were developed for inclusion in The Standard for Project Management
• Add an appendix in the PMBOK® Guide-Seventh Edition (possibly titled “How the PM Delivery Principles Were Identified”) describing the research (PMI internal, external, market, business, or academic), literature reviews, and focus group analysis that:
o identified the Project Delivery Principles,
o evaluated how these principles match up or align with principles found and described in other published standards, disciplines, or professions, including general management,
o describes how these principles were vetted to substantiate the claim they are the 12 Project Delivery Principles, and
o describes what backs up these principles as having a broad consensus within the PM community.
3. Need for a second exposure draft review for The Standard for Project Management-Seventh Edition
• Rework the Standard as outlined in recommended action #1 and incorporate the changes for the adjudication decisions for the 5,000+ comments received from the first exposure draft. Then release a second exposure draft for The Standard for Project Management. This would provide a means of confirming whether the changes made truly address the concerns raised during the initial exposure draft
4. Need for a full exposure draft review for the entire PMBOK® Guide-Seventh Edition
• After The Standard for Project Management is stripped from the PMBOK® Guide so it can be a standalone document and chapters 1-3 reworked to better fit the purpose of the Guide, incorporate these chapters back into the Guide. Then conduct a full exposure draft for all 6 chapters of the PMBOK® Guide. This will attain wide public review and comment on the new Seventh Edition
5. Quality issues surfacing as a result of fast product development
• Accept that due to the concerns being raised and the lack of consensus around the updated Seventh Addition, the Q4-2020 planned release date is not feasible if a quality product is to be delivered. Refocus the effort to producing high quality, broad consensus documents and reevaluate the schedule needed to accomplish this outcome.