Is Discipline Agile become like Scrum Alliance?

Thanks for everyone's feedback. A few points to share. Comparing DA to a Scrum workshop, the DA Lean Scrum Master (DALSM) certification is far more rigourous. The DALSM content is 4 days of workshop materials, of which we cover Scrum in 1 of those days. Add to that Lean content, the DA Toolkit and how to use it to Choose your WoW (Way of Working). DA provides guidance to tailor a flavour of agile that makes sense for you, rather than a prescribed, canned approach that other methods and frameworks teach.

Because PMI has standardized the materials that the instructors use, they are of very good quality. The courses were redesigned late last year, so they are new versions and will only get better.

Regarding the DA Champions in the Chapters, since DA is new to PMI, many are just learning DA themselves so please give them some time to get up to speed.

Regarding ACP holders, this very good certification fits very nicely into the DA Certification path, providing a progression of certifications (unlike other agile certification programs) to recognize your increased agile skills and experience over time.

We really believe that PMI's DA/ACP program provides an unmatched, professional, credible, and worthwhile agile certification program. We have some very exciting developments coming to make it even better, so stay tuned!

Thanks for everyone's feedback. A few points to share. Comparing DA to a Scrum workshop, the DA Lean Scrum Master (DALSM) certification is far more rigourous. The DALSM content is 4 days of workshop materials, of which we cover Scrum in 1 of those days. Add to that Lean content, the DA Toolkit and how to use it to Choose your WoW (Way of Working). DA provides guidance to tailor a flavour of agile that makes sense for you, rather than a prescribed, canned approach that other methods and frameworks teach.

Because PMI has standardized the materials that the instructors use, they are of very good quality. The courses were redesigned late last year, so they are new versions and will only get better.

Regarding the DA Champions in the Chapters, since DA is new to PMI, many are just learning DA themselves so please give them some time to get up to speed.

Regarding ACP holders, this very good certification fits very nicely into the DA Certification path, providing a progression of certifications (unlike other agile certification programs) to recognize your increased agile skills and experience over time.

We really believe that PMI's DA/ACP program provides an unmatched, professional, credible, and worthwhile agile certification program. We have some very exciting developments coming to make it even better, so stay tuned!

Luís,

According to the program annouced, the Champions don't have to be certified in DA and if the local chapter or the champion, see's that there is value in that, in that case could pay the training to the champion or the champion himself pays the training.

So as you see there are no free lunches for the local chapters, they should make the publicity and even so they have to support the costs, the only thing that is offered are 10 books of the WOW DA.

Alexandre.

Thanks for everyone's feedback. A few points to share. Comparing DA to a Scrum workshop, the DA Lean Scrum Master (DALSM) certification is far more rigourous. The DALSM content is 4 days of workshop materials, of which we cover Scrum in 1 of those days. Add to that Lean content, the DA Toolkit and how to use it to Choose your WoW (Way of Working). DA provides guidance to tailor a flavour of agile that makes sense for you, rather than a prescribed, canned approach that other methods and frameworks teach.

Because PMI has standardized the materials that the instructors use, they are of very good quality. The courses were redesigned late last year, so they are new versions and will only get better.

Regarding the DA Champions in the Chapters, since DA is new to PMI, many are just learning DA themselves so please give them some time to get up to speed.

Regarding ACP holders, this very good certification fits very nicely into the DA Certification path, providing a progression of certifications (unlike other agile certification programs) to recognize your increased agile skills and experience over time.

We really believe that PMI's DA/ACP program provides an unmatched, professional, credible, and worthwhile agile certification program. We have some very exciting developments coming to make it even better, so stay tuned!

I recently read that PMI was looking for a way to acknowledge existing Lean or Agile experience. So perhaps a class won't necessarily be a requirement for everybody?

Nevertheless, I'm not one of those who decries the classroom and mentorship model. I understand the concerns about the cost, but it's a valid approach to certifying that someone has received training. Remember, too, that PMI has one of the most highly-favored and widely-recognized certifications (PMP), which requires documented work experience, Project Management training, and potentially a 4-year-degree. How much does all THAT cost? Yet that's an inherent part of the value in the certification. If it were merely an exam with no validation for experience, would the PMP be worth as much?

Dear Alexandre
Thank you for sharing your comment with us

I am thinking here how many champions (volunteers) DA will achieve through the chapters

And very curious. Will they release these results?

Wade ,

I understand your arguments, nevertheless the 4 year degree is not mandatory. The experience required makes sense however I do not see any benefits for PMI members and was our money paying all this acquisitions. It also doesn’t make sense for a 2 to 4-day certification to cost half of a 4 year degree at least in my country.

Alexandre

I don't know what the cost should be. I agree that money should not be a prohibitive impediment for PMI members to earn PMI credentials. My hope is that the cost will gradually increase as more training options become available. I've seen that happen with new training and certifications before. And I understand the concern that the price could lead PMI down the path of making DA merely a for-profit venture at the expense of membership.

Having said all that, I don't think our worst case scenario will come to be. In order for a class of certifications to become valuable to the owner, it has to be widely recognized and accepted. If the cost for certification remains prohibitively high, then few people will earn the certification, and few organizations will look for it. Conversely, if a certification is too easy, then everyone will get it and it will mean nothing.

I'm well aware of the optional requirements for the PMP, my point is just finding that balance between being too restrictive and too easy. PMI has done a fantastic job of certification requirements with the PMP, so I have to believe they're capable of managing the new certifications.