"... The new PMI Authorized Training Partner Program will replace the current R.E.P. program. It ensures trainers are ready to prepare candidates for the new Project Management Professional (PMP)® exam, coming 1 July 2020..."
This Program will introduce a huge change in the project management ecosystem.
What are your thoughts about this and how will it affect you or your organization (new, old, potential REPs and training organizations)? Saving Changes...
Thanks Kiron for this feedback. Is the Linkedin group a closed one or the link can be shared for others to join in on the discussion.
If non ATPs are still allowed to offer classroom and online training and their delegates will be accepted to apply for the PMP Exam then it will be accommodating to all training providers.
The concern now will be the price gap between ATPs and Non ATPs.
Michael,
the group is open to all current REP representatives so if you do work for a REP you should be able to send John Char a request to join it as it is a hidden group so it wouldn't show up in a LinkedIn search.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Feb 26, 2020 4:03 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Based on the answers John Char provided in the REP discussion group on LinkedIn, it is acceptable for non-ATPs to provide the 35 contact hours of training to PMP candidates but PMI will give preferential exposure and treatment to ATPs.
Assuming that holds true for the official launch, it will definitely influence our decision as the cost increase is prohibitive for small REPs who are impacted by a negative currency exchange like we are in Canada.
Kiron
If this is the case, then how does this help REP’s and give them advantage ? With those additional expenses, I believe that many will opt to go another route and take courses elsewhere from non-PMI- REP’s.
It will be interesting to see how things shake up. Saving Changes...
Mudassir IqbalCOO | Snr Advisor Digital Transformation| AnaConEx SolutionsSaudi Arabia
Feb 26, 2020 1:53 PM
Replying to Shady Bassily
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i also read that ATPs will not be allowed to offer on demand self paced ? and that PMI will offer that....what does that mean ? would it be possible for non ATP (non REP ) to offer online on demand courses ?
This is PMI competing with you and others.. Saving Changes...
Vito MadaioMD| PMTSI (Project Management Training School Institute)Rome, Italy, Italy
As ATP Fees will be prohibitive for many little schools, like mine, I count only to provide contact hours as NON ATP, if still allowed. Please, can we have an official confirmation by PMI on that option?
Thanks.
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
May 11, 2020 11:00 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Vito -
John Char of PMI has confirmed this a few times already in the REP-only LinkedIn discussion group. What he has stated is that students who take their prep courses from non-REPs/ATPs may have be challenged via the random audit process for these contact hours whereas the hours submitted from an REP/ATPs prep course would not be so as long as the course being provided and the "auditable" materials are quality then there shouldn't be a concern.
The bigger concern for non-REPs/ATPs would be how much benefit would REPs/ATPs get from preferential marketing by PMI and will they have any challenges from clients whose policies are to only go with REPs/ATPs.
As ATP Fees will be prohibitive for many little schools, like mine, I count only to provide contact hours as NON ATP, if still allowed. Please, can we have an official confirmation by PMI on that option?
Thanks.
Vito -
John Char of PMI has confirmed this a few times already in the REP-only LinkedIn discussion group. What he has stated is that students who take their prep courses from non-REPs/ATPs may have be challenged via the random audit process for these contact hours whereas the hours submitted from an REP/ATPs prep course would not be so as long as the course being provided and the "auditable" materials are quality then there shouldn't be a concern.
The bigger concern for non-REPs/ATPs would be how much benefit would REPs/ATPs get from preferential marketing by PMI and will they have any challenges from clients whose policies are to only go with REPs/ATPs.
Kiron
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1 reply by Vito Madaio
May 11, 2020 11:52 AM
Vito Madaio
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Kiron,
Thanks for your info. I believe that they will try to isolate the NON/ATP, but they need put in place some rules and respect them.
Then the difference between ATP and NON/ATP could be the Fees of courses. Avoiding ATP Fees we can price also half.
But the other concern will be: on which material we could teach? We will use our material, as now, or we could access the PMI material at 99$ for student, like an ATP?
I hope PMI will clarify all those aspects.
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Vito MadaioMD| PMTSI (Project Management Training School Institute)Rome, Italy, Italy
May 11, 2020 11:00 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Vito -
John Char of PMI has confirmed this a few times already in the REP-only LinkedIn discussion group. What he has stated is that students who take their prep courses from non-REPs/ATPs may have be challenged via the random audit process for these contact hours whereas the hours submitted from an REP/ATPs prep course would not be so as long as the course being provided and the "auditable" materials are quality then there shouldn't be a concern.
The bigger concern for non-REPs/ATPs would be how much benefit would REPs/ATPs get from preferential marketing by PMI and will they have any challenges from clients whose policies are to only go with REPs/ATPs.
Kiron
Kiron,
Thanks for your info. I believe that they will try to isolate the NON/ATP, but they need put in place some rules and respect them.
Then the difference between ATP and NON/ATP could be the Fees of courses. Avoiding ATP Fees we can price also half.
But the other concern will be: on which material we could teach? We will use our material, as now, or we could access the PMI material at 99$ for student, like an ATP?
I hope PMI will clarify all those aspects.
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
May 11, 2020 12:18 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Unfortunately PMI will NOT provide their materials to anyone other than the instructors they have certified who work for ATPs. As such, it would be the same as it is now - non-ATPs would have to develop & maintain their own materials, but PMI would have an advantage as their instructional designers would know what the questions in the real exam pool are and could likely focus the content on those better than any third party could.
Kiron,
Thanks for your info. I believe that they will try to isolate the NON/ATP, but they need put in place some rules and respect them.
Then the difference between ATP and NON/ATP could be the Fees of courses. Avoiding ATP Fees we can price also half.
But the other concern will be: on which material we could teach? We will use our material, as now, or we could access the PMI material at 99$ for student, like an ATP?
I hope PMI will clarify all those aspects.
Unfortunately PMI will NOT provide their materials to anyone other than the instructors they have certified who work for ATPs. As such, it would be the same as it is now - non-ATPs would have to develop & maintain their own materials, but PMI would have an advantage as their instructional designers would know what the questions in the real exam pool are and could likely focus the content on those better than any third party could.
Kiron
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
May 11, 2020 7:52 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Kiron
That's a very interesting statement that PMI instructors wiill know what the exam questions are and train based on that. If that's the intent of PMI then its disappointing because training should be based on general knowledge not revolve around certain questions and topics and exam questions should be kept highly confidential.
I highly doubt PMI would go that way but you know better a you are involved more with them in terms of training.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
May 11, 2020 12:18 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Unfortunately PMI will NOT provide their materials to anyone other than the instructors they have certified who work for ATPs. As such, it would be the same as it is now - non-ATPs would have to develop & maintain their own materials, but PMI would have an advantage as their instructional designers would know what the questions in the real exam pool are and could likely focus the content on those better than any third party could.
Kiron
Kiron
That's a very interesting statement that PMI instructors wiill know what the exam questions are and train based on that. If that's the intent of PMI then its disappointing because training should be based on general knowledge not revolve around certain questions and topics and exam questions should be kept highly confidential.
I highly doubt PMI would go that way but you know better a you are involved more with them in terms of training.
RK
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
May 12, 2020 8:00 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Sorry Rami if I wasn't clear with my response.
ATP instructors will NOT have any awareness of the real PMP exam questions similar to non-ATP instructors.
I would guess that the instructional designers who are building PMI's prep course content are likely to have insights or even access to those. If so, I'm sure they have had to sign a gazillion NDAs and other legalese to take these secrets to their graves...
That's a very interesting statement that PMI instructors wiill know what the exam questions are and train based on that. If that's the intent of PMI then its disappointing because training should be based on general knowledge not revolve around certain questions and topics and exam questions should be kept highly confidential.
I highly doubt PMI would go that way but you know better a you are involved more with them in terms of training.
RK
Sorry Rami if I wasn't clear with my response.
ATP instructors will NOT have any awareness of the real PMP exam questions similar to non-ATP instructors.
I would guess that the instructional designers who are building PMI's prep course content are likely to have insights or even access to those. If so, I'm sure they have had to sign a gazillion NDAs and other legalese to take these secrets to their graves...
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