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Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan Automation & Validation Engineer| Automation & Validation Solutions Taichung, Taichung, Taiwan
Dear All

Can you explain to me what is NPV & IRR? And how to use them in Budget?
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Keith Novak Tukwila, Wa, United States
NPV compares how much your total money flow (profits minus costs in a time period) compare to the interest rate. If you didn't commit to a project, you would earn the interest rate on your money, so the NPV is how much over the interest rate you earn.

Where the NPV is how much you earn compared to the risk free interest rate, the IRR is a ratio of your investment cost, to your return on investment.

Think of it this way, the NPV gives you your return in terms of dollars (or whatever currency), the IRR gives your return in in percentage of initial investment while still taking into account the interest rate.
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1 reply by Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
Mar 04, 2020 8:45 PM
Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
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I think it is difficult to determine an actual value when invested in a project.

Thanks for your explanation
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
Muthu,

Keith explained it well.

Both are numbers used to categorize projects in a portfolio and then to prioritize them. They might also be tracked during a project and used to decide if to go forward in case of phase-gate decisions.

NPV and IRR are used mainly for projects spanning more than a year, as interest over multiple years is included in the formulas.

For a project budget they play less a role.
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1 reply by Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
Mar 04, 2020 8:46 PM
Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
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I came across these terms on some JD - Project Estimators

Thanks for your explanation
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
The only thing I'd add is that NPV is used either to look at a single project investment or to compare multiple projects whereas IRR could be used to compare with the rate of return the company would achieve by other types of investments (e.g. investing those same funds in the stock market).

Kiron
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1 reply by Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
Mar 04, 2020 8:48 PM
Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
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Understood. I am trying to learn more about it - formula, calculations etc..

Does PMBOK cover these terms?
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Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan Automation & Validation Engineer| Automation & Validation Solutions Taichung, Taichung, Taiwan
Mar 04, 2020 1:36 AM
Replying to Keith Novak
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NPV compares how much your total money flow (profits minus costs in a time period) compare to the interest rate. If you didn't commit to a project, you would earn the interest rate on your money, so the NPV is how much over the interest rate you earn.

Where the NPV is how much you earn compared to the risk free interest rate, the IRR is a ratio of your investment cost, to your return on investment.

Think of it this way, the NPV gives you your return in terms of dollars (or whatever currency), the IRR gives your return in in percentage of initial investment while still taking into account the interest rate.
I think it is difficult to determine an actual value when invested in a project.

Thanks for your explanation
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1 reply by Keith Novak
Mar 04, 2020 10:46 PM
Keith Novak
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NPV is not total value. That includes intangibles like expanding your business. NPV is strictly a financial cash flow compared to interest rate equation.
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Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan Automation & Validation Engineer| Automation & Validation Solutions Taichung, Taichung, Taiwan
Mar 04, 2020 6:58 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Muthu,

Keith explained it well.

Both are numbers used to categorize projects in a portfolio and then to prioritize them. They might also be tracked during a project and used to decide if to go forward in case of phase-gate decisions.

NPV and IRR are used mainly for projects spanning more than a year, as interest over multiple years is included in the formulas.

For a project budget they play less a role.
I came across these terms on some JD - Project Estimators

Thanks for your explanation
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Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan Automation & Validation Engineer| Automation & Validation Solutions Taichung, Taichung, Taiwan
Mar 04, 2020 7:14 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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The only thing I'd add is that NPV is used either to look at a single project investment or to compare multiple projects whereas IRR could be used to compare with the rate of return the company would achieve by other types of investments (e.g. investing those same funds in the stock market).

Kiron
Understood. I am trying to learn more about it - formula, calculations etc..

Does PMBOK cover these terms?
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Mar 05, 2020 8:20 AM
Kiron Bondale
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The PMBOK Guide does not go into much detail about these measures, nor do they provide examples of their usage. Here's one site which provides some examples of the two: https://www.mathsisfun.com/money/internal-rate-return.html

Kiron
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Keith Novak Tukwila, Wa, United States
Mar 04, 2020 8:45 PM
Replying to Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
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I think it is difficult to determine an actual value when invested in a project.

Thanks for your explanation
NPV is not total value. That includes intangibles like expanding your business. NPV is strictly a financial cash flow compared to interest rate equation.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Mar 04, 2020 8:48 PM
Replying to Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
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Understood. I am trying to learn more about it - formula, calculations etc..

Does PMBOK cover these terms?
The PMBOK Guide does not go into much detail about these measures, nor do they provide examples of their usage. Here's one site which provides some examples of the two: https://www.mathsisfun.com/money/internal-rate-return.html

Kiron

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