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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Of all the things they could have disabled (i.e. redundant badges), why choose the influence score? I was just about to contact PM experts to partake in a study/survey, and my criteria for "experts" included a high influence score.
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Mar 30, 2020 3:53 PM
Replying to George Freeman
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Although I will also miss the influence score, I tend to believe that it is part of a strategy for taking the site/platform to a new level. PMI knows more than anyone the patterns of behavior on the site related to specific features/functions, as it is fully measurable and would be part of routine site management.

Would they remove a feature if they thought it would detrimentally impact the value and draw of the site? I do not think so; therefore, its part of a plan that we should see unfold over time, hopefully, near-time.

Food for thought.
@George, a new level is correct. Up or down remains to be seen. No, they wouldn't remove a feature if they "thought" it would impact the value/draw of the site. But thinking it doesn't make it so. If they had asked the community (especially the top 100 influencers) they would havae received a resounding NO to removing that feature. So the best way to avoid hearing "no" is to have zero engament or discussion with those affected by the change, and remove the feature anyway. Rather than ask will the change be detrimental, they should ask will the change benefit the site and increase engagement. I suspect no, but time will tell on that one.
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Mar 30, 2020 2:57 PM
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The only reason I can think of is they have appeased the masses to create a level of mediocrity amongst the hordes. When the surfs can see the noble's eating mutton and chugging wine, while they toil over a loaf of bread and cup of rice, the masses become uneasy and envious. That's when the Lords sweep in and offer some respite from their woes by diverting their attention from what is really offending the surfs - the influence score of the nobles - and make them feel like they are the same, but without putting in the same level of effort, engagement and knowledge. That's my little medieval analogy.
Dear Sante
Interesting this analogy
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Mar 31, 2020 3:59 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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My little analogies are a respite for me from the mundane.
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Daire Guiney Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Mar 30, 2020 2:39 PM
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Hi Daire, it's permanent I'm afraid, unless they wake up and realize it was one of the attractions for member engagement, love it or hate it. You don't build gamification into websites, increase engagement, only to pull key attractions in that gamification process from under members' feet.
Dear Sante,

The fact the used the term 'retire' for removing and discontinuing the use of influence means that they must think that it has some how lost it relevance and is not a true reflection of a members engagement and content generation within the community.

As others have said the algorithm they used seemed to apply in varying degrees and longevity caused you score to go up and down depending on you level of engagement. It seemed harder and harder to move the dial. Instead it was about maintaining your existing score.

Daire
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Mar 31, 2020 4:01 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Hi Daire. I agree it was more about maintaining existing scores, and this, I believe, was one of the key drivers for a lot of the engagement from the higher influencers.
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dear Sante
Let's agree ...
The subject was published a month ago by the managers of this community

The most influential people did not speak out regarding the situation

Silence gives consent!

It remains to be seen if, by chance, the people with the greatest influence had expressed their opinion, how would the management of the community react?
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Mar 31, 2020 4:02 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Hi Luis, I am never one to be silent, as my esteemed colleagues (and high influencers) can attest.
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George Freeman Thought Leader | Author | Architect| Florida, United States
The importance of the “influence score” to the “influence headliners” is a well-known fact. It has been a periodic topic and is also apparent based on the effort that it takes for one to maintain their score. However, those headliners are a tiny segment of the community as a whole.

I would also caution that we should NOT assume that surveys/interviews were not done regarding changes to the site. For instance, many assumed that the “new branding” was done without PMI getting feedback from members; however, we now understand that they did reach out. Isn’t this likely a situation wherein we are making assumptions for the fact that we do not have first-hand knowledge (meaning, we were not part of the group that was reached out to)?

We should also recognize that the “influence score” was essentially a game (i.e., game-ification) that many of us (which includes me) vested time into. This vesting, by its nature, made the game (i.e., the headlining) part of our identity, hence our push back with its removal.

This is my own personal self-evaluation on this topic that I have projected out. So, please understand that I’m not preaching but instead sharing to you what I have resolved for myself – as I struggled through my feelings on this subject.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Mar 31, 2020 12:53 PM
Rami Kaibni
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George,

To your point, truth said, they did reach out and I was one of the people interviewed to weigh-in not on the influence score specifically but about changes in general for this platform and this is much appreciated.

Let's wait and see - I am excited about the migration (I assume) to the new platform.

RK
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Mar 31, 2020 11:42 AM
Replying to George Freeman
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The importance of the “influence score” to the “influence headliners” is a well-known fact. It has been a periodic topic and is also apparent based on the effort that it takes for one to maintain their score. However, those headliners are a tiny segment of the community as a whole.

I would also caution that we should NOT assume that surveys/interviews were not done regarding changes to the site. For instance, many assumed that the “new branding” was done without PMI getting feedback from members; however, we now understand that they did reach out. Isn’t this likely a situation wherein we are making assumptions for the fact that we do not have first-hand knowledge (meaning, we were not part of the group that was reached out to)?

We should also recognize that the “influence score” was essentially a game (i.e., game-ification) that many of us (which includes me) vested time into. This vesting, by its nature, made the game (i.e., the headlining) part of our identity, hence our push back with its removal.

This is my own personal self-evaluation on this topic that I have projected out. So, please understand that I’m not preaching but instead sharing to you what I have resolved for myself – as I struggled through my feelings on this subject.
George,

To your point, truth said, they did reach out and I was one of the people interviewed to weigh-in not on the influence score specifically but about changes in general for this platform and this is much appreciated.

Let's wait and see - I am excited about the migration (I assume) to the new platform.

RK
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Verónica Elizabeth Pozo Ruiz RYLAI Access Control Quito, Pichincha, Ecuador
It seems to have disappeared... but is definitely or temporary?
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Mar 31, 2020 1:08 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Unfortuntely, Permanently.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Mar 31, 2020 1:05 PM
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It seems to have disappeared... but is definitely or temporary?
Unfortuntely, Permanently.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Mar 30, 2020 2:43 PM
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Hi Kiron, kind of like taking screenshots of old badges that still appear in the badge list. Does taking a screenshot of the number two position really do anything for you, given that you should have been number 1 for over a year given your engagement with the community?
Thanks for the kind words, Sante! You are right, that a historical snapshot is of limited value - maybe I can get the screenshot which Luis kindly sent me yesterday silk-screened onto a t-shirt for posterity :-)
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Mar 31, 2020 4:05 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Kiron, now that is something worth having. I should have kept my screenshot when I was in the top 10.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
I just hope this doesn't turn into a "New Coke" debacle... perhaps a few months down the line, we'd then end up with "Classic Influence score" :-)
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Mar 31, 2020 4:10 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Let's see if their strategy turns out to be as bad a marketing blunder. Still can't get why they did it. If something ain't broke, why fix it?
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