Vishwajeet GilbileManager Industrial Engineer| Siemens Ltd.Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
Hii, I have completed my PMP certification in the month of Sept'19. I have 10 years of experience as project planner at Siemens ltd India. Now I wish to move into project manager role. I tried job portals, also internal job openings, but most of the employers demand previous PM experience. Can somebody suggest me, what should be my strategy to move into project manager role. Saving Changes...
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
In my personal opinion and experience if you like to get a project manager role but you do not have previous experience forget about to find a project manager role. Search for any role that will help you to work inside projects or search for any role that when somebody assign you as accountable for creating a solution you will put in place project management tools and techniques. Just to take a gross example, take the role take the role of cook and apply project management to creating a meal. Saving Changes...
Product Operations Program ManagerBarcelona, Cataluña, Spain
Vishwajeet, have you considered applying to PM roles internally? Siemens is a large organization, I'd look there first and use the network build over these 10 years to facilitate the transition. Saving Changes...
Andrew SoswaTechnology leader| Leading global financial institutionElk Grove Village, Il, United States
There is a considerable "jump" when crossing from one work type to another. Recruiters and HR understand this and prefer practicing PMs over those who want to jumpstart their career in a new field.
Sergio is right. There is considerable mindset change in thinking like a project manager vs operational type of work. In gist, operationally-minded people wait to get a unit of work, they do it, deliver outcome to the boss, and wait for another unit of work - a single stream of dependence on others providing work. Whereas PM has to be in-and-out of presence in the future and present, understand complexity of multi-team relationships and effect on deliverables, have skills in using PM tools and methodologies, Situational and Transformational Leadership skills.
There are several ways that you can start:
* volunteering for your local PMI chapter or another organization to get to know people and people get to know you that you can do it
* Find consulting gigs
* Start working as coordinator and climb your way up
* Prove your expertise in your community or online
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1 reply by Vishwajeet Gilbile
Apr 04, 2020 12:17 AM
Vishwajeet Gilbile
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Very informative and helpful. Thanks for your valuable inputs.
In a recent management interview (where I wasn't chosen) I got some really good feedback on how to apply for the job role change:
Your resume and interview if you get one, shouldn't demonstrate how you are awesome at your current role. You need to map the prior experience to the job requirements of the new one. At a place like Siemens, they likely have a very structured hiring and interview process. Even if the hiring manager can "read between the lines" and see how you are very well qualified for the job, they may only be able to use what you provide in your own words.
When doing that, be very succinct: "Here is a prior experience that demonstrates my ability at doing *whatever*" Short and to the point. The HR screener might not know much more than your resume should include certain key words to land you the interview. In the same way, the hiring manager may only be able to write down what you specifically said, not what they interpret from what you said so try to understand the job role the best you can and apply for THAT job, not ANY job.
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2 replies by Renee Jauregui and Vishwajeet Gilbile
Apr 03, 2020 12:20 PM
Renee Jauregui
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This is very helpful information. Thank you for sharing.
Apr 04, 2020 12:22 AM
Vishwajeet Gilbile
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Thank you Keith. Very helpful for job applications and facing interviews.
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Renee JaureguiBusiness Executive Consultant| Wells FargoWoodbridge, Va, United States
Apr 03, 2020 11:41 AM
Replying to Keith Novak
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In a recent management interview (where I wasn't chosen) I got some really good feedback on how to apply for the job role change:
Your resume and interview if you get one, shouldn't demonstrate how you are awesome at your current role. You need to map the prior experience to the job requirements of the new one. At a place like Siemens, they likely have a very structured hiring and interview process. Even if the hiring manager can "read between the lines" and see how you are very well qualified for the job, they may only be able to use what you provide in your own words.
When doing that, be very succinct: "Here is a prior experience that demonstrates my ability at doing *whatever*" Short and to the point. The HR screener might not know much more than your resume should include certain key words to land you the interview. In the same way, the hiring manager may only be able to write down what you specifically said, not what they interpret from what you said so try to understand the job role the best you can and apply for THAT job, not ANY job.
This is very helpful information. Thank you for sharing. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Fully agree with @Keith here. I am involved in some interviews to select new project/program/portfolio managers and the process is closer he stated above. That´s becuase it is important to know the company you are applying for the job while I know sometimes the recruiter did not say that. Saving Changes...
Vishwajeet GilbileManager Industrial Engineer| Siemens Ltd.Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
Apr 03, 2020 11:25 AM
Replying to Andrew Soswa
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There is a considerable "jump" when crossing from one work type to another. Recruiters and HR understand this and prefer practicing PMs over those who want to jumpstart their career in a new field.
Sergio is right. There is considerable mindset change in thinking like a project manager vs operational type of work. In gist, operationally-minded people wait to get a unit of work, they do it, deliver outcome to the boss, and wait for another unit of work - a single stream of dependence on others providing work. Whereas PM has to be in-and-out of presence in the future and present, understand complexity of multi-team relationships and effect on deliverables, have skills in using PM tools and methodologies, Situational and Transformational Leadership skills.
There are several ways that you can start:
* volunteering for your local PMI chapter or another organization to get to know people and people get to know you that you can do it
* Find consulting gigs
* Start working as coordinator and climb your way up
* Prove your expertise in your community or online
Very informative and helpful. Thanks for your valuable inputs. Saving Changes...
Vishwajeet GilbileManager Industrial Engineer| Siemens Ltd.Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
Apr 03, 2020 11:41 AM
Replying to Keith Novak
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In a recent management interview (where I wasn't chosen) I got some really good feedback on how to apply for the job role change:
Your resume and interview if you get one, shouldn't demonstrate how you are awesome at your current role. You need to map the prior experience to the job requirements of the new one. At a place like Siemens, they likely have a very structured hiring and interview process. Even if the hiring manager can "read between the lines" and see how you are very well qualified for the job, they may only be able to use what you provide in your own words.
When doing that, be very succinct: "Here is a prior experience that demonstrates my ability at doing *whatever*" Short and to the point. The HR screener might not know much more than your resume should include certain key words to land you the interview. In the same way, the hiring manager may only be able to write down what you specifically said, not what they interpret from what you said so try to understand the job role the best you can and apply for THAT job, not ANY job.
Thank you Keith. Very helpful for job applications and facing interviews. Saving Changes...
Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
I completely agree with Keith on this. I was on the same boat, and it was very hard in the beginning without the real PM experience. When I go to the interview I used to tell them that, I don't have a PM title but I do most of the stuff and no one becomes a PM without getting an opportunity. I'm sure you will find a PM job soon. All the best !! Saving Changes...