Alexandre CostaScrum Master| Integer Consulting - Pictet technologiesLoures, Portugal
Hi Syed,
The Lean management normally is applied in Enterprise context, not only to projects should be a way to improve the stream value flow of the company and consequently of the projects that executes.
As project manager normally you must follow the culture, policies and rules that you company applies after all is all about context, there is nothing in the PMIBOK that block this practices.
PMI already integrated deeply lean in the Discipline agile toolkit and emphasizes good practices of lean in several process goals and some lifecycles.
Being aware that the next edition of the PMBOK already incorporates a lot of hybrid and agile context probably is expected that some components of Lean can be included also there.
I think some members of the community like @Kiron and @Sergio can give you more information about the future PMBOK7 and if references to lean are introduced there. Nevertheless to succed in project management reducing waste, continuous improving, quality, flexibility etc... Is all a matter of common sense that you could apply during the project lifecycle.
Alexandre
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2 replies by SYED NASIR AHMED
Apr 11, 2020 7:48 AM
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Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Syed, agree,
Lean Management is seen by PMBoK as one of several lifecycles to create a product. The attached agile practice guide positions lean as an umbrella covering all things agile and Kanban. This thinking might change with ed7 and DA.
Also in PMBoK ed6 itself, lean is mentioned several times in the context of specific techniques, like lean six sigma, or lean resource management techniques. Do not know if that changes a lot in ed7, but doubt it.
I see lean rather as a mindset than a guidance. Many projects benefit from structure, governance and processes as they are needed for high performance/efficiency.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
The problem is try to integrate an approach to a discipline. Lean, Agile and others must not be integrated to the PMBOK because they must be totally independent of the project management theory. We need to remember what project management is. The problem is the PMI is contributing to the general confusion mixing approach, life cycle model, life cycle process, methods and tools. Because of that the new PMBOK is trying to change the way project management is defined. In my personal opinion the PMI is taking the first step to fail just for trying to keep the business open.
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SYED NASIR AHMEDAssistant Manager| Mace Project Management and Cost ConsultancyHyderabad, Telangana, India
Apr 11, 2020 5:14 AM
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Hi Syed,
The Lean management normally is applied in Enterprise context, not only to projects should be a way to improve the stream value flow of the company and consequently of the projects that executes.
As project manager normally you must follow the culture, policies and rules that you company applies after all is all about context, there is nothing in the PMIBOK that block this practices.
PMI already integrated deeply lean in the Discipline agile toolkit and emphasizes good practices of lean in several process goals and some lifecycles.
Being aware that the next edition of the PMBOK already incorporates a lot of hybrid and agile context probably is expected that some components of Lean can be included also there.
I think some members of the community like @Kiron and @Sergio can give you more information about the future PMBOK7 and if references to lean are introduced there. Nevertheless to succed in project management reducing waste, continuous improving, quality, flexibility etc... Is all a matter of common sense that you could apply during the project lifecycle.
Alexandre
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SYED NASIR AHMEDAssistant Manager| Mace Project Management and Cost ConsultancyHyderabad, Telangana, India
Apr 11, 2020 5:14 AM
Replying to Alexandre Costa
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Hi Syed,
The Lean management normally is applied in Enterprise context, not only to projects should be a way to improve the stream value flow of the company and consequently of the projects that executes.
As project manager normally you must follow the culture, policies and rules that you company applies after all is all about context, there is nothing in the PMIBOK that block this practices.
PMI already integrated deeply lean in the Discipline agile toolkit and emphasizes good practices of lean in several process goals and some lifecycles.
Being aware that the next edition of the PMBOK already incorporates a lot of hybrid and agile context probably is expected that some components of Lean can be included also there.
I think some members of the community like @Kiron and @Sergio can give you more information about the future PMBOK7 and if references to lean are introduced there. Nevertheless to succed in project management reducing waste, continuous improving, quality, flexibility etc... Is all a matter of common sense that you could apply during the project lifecycle.
Alexandre
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SYED NASIR AHMEDAssistant Manager| Mace Project Management and Cost ConsultancyHyderabad, Telangana, India
Apr 11, 2020 5:19 AM
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Syed, agree,
Lean Management is seen by PMBoK as one of several lifecycles to create a product. The attached agile practice guide positions lean as an umbrella covering all things agile and Kanban. This thinking might change with ed7 and DA.
Also in PMBoK ed6 itself, lean is mentioned several times in the context of specific techniques, like lean six sigma, or lean resource management techniques. Do not know if that changes a lot in ed7, but doubt it.
I see lean rather as a mindset than a guidance. Many projects benefit from structure, governance and processes as they are needed for high performance/efficiency.
Thanks for your valuable comment. Saving Changes...
SYED NASIR AHMEDAssistant Manager| Mace Project Management and Cost ConsultancyHyderabad, Telangana, India
Apr 11, 2020 7:37 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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The problem is try to integrate an approach to a discipline. Lean, Agile and others must not be integrated to the PMBOK because they must be totally independent of the project management theory. We need to remember what project management is. The problem is the PMI is contributing to the general confusion mixing approach, life cycle model, life cycle process, methods and tools. Because of that the new PMBOK is trying to change the way project management is defined. In my personal opinion the PMI is taking the first step to fail just for trying to keep the business open.
Thanks for your valuable comment.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Apr 11, 2020 7:54 AM
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You are welcome. And just to add something. You can use Lean with the PMBOK. In fact, in my actual work place, is what I was in charge to define. But forget about me, you can read things that belongs to software like Tom Gilbs or Mary Poppendienck works. The important thing is to understand the architecture. Think into a pyramid: in the basement the approach (Lean), on the basemen you have to select a life cycle model (prediective or adaptative), on the model you have to select a life cycle process (waterfall, iterative, incremental, V, etc), on the process you have to select a method/framework (Scrum, SDLC, etc). on the method the tool. Some methods have all what you need. For example, if you take Scrum framework, you will find is based on Lean, not in Agile.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Apr 11, 2020 7:49 AM
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Thanks for your valuable comment.
You are welcome. And just to add something. You can use Lean with the PMBOK. In fact, in my actual work place, is what I was in charge to define. But forget about me, you can read things that belongs to software like Tom Gilbs or Mary Poppendienck works. The important thing is to understand the architecture. Think into a pyramid: in the basement the approach (Lean), on the basemen you have to select a life cycle model (prediective or adaptative), on the model you have to select a life cycle process (waterfall, iterative, incremental, V, etc), on the process you have to select a method/framework (Scrum, SDLC, etc). on the method the tool. Some methods have all what you need. For example, if you take Scrum framework, you will find is based on Lean, not in Agile. Saving Changes...
Lean (whether manufacturing or knowledge work based) is complementary to the PMBOK. There are references within the Guide to specific lean techniques and many of the principles associated with lean also are relevant in project management.
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Apr 11, 2020 9:17 AM
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Thanks for your comment, Mr Kiron.
I find many interesting lean principles tools that can be used in the Construction Industry. Example: Pull Planning, Last Planner System, BIM, Morning Huddle, A3 Problem Solving, 5S, Just in Time, etc.
Initially, I thought, it would be great if all these lean principles tools are incorporated in PMBOK like Agile principles are added in PMBOK.
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SYED NASIR AHMEDAssistant Manager| Mace Project Management and Cost ConsultancyHyderabad, Telangana, India
Apr 11, 2020 8:49 AM
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Lean (whether manufacturing or knowledge work based) is complementary to the PMBOK. There are references within the Guide to specific lean techniques and many of the principles associated with lean also are relevant in project management.
Thanks for your comment, Mr Kiron.
I find many interesting lean principles tools that can be used in the Construction Industry. Example: Pull Planning, Last Planner System, BIM, Morning Huddle, A3 Problem Solving, 5S, Just in Time, etc.
Initially, I thought, it would be great if all these lean principles tools are incorporated in PMBOK like Agile principles are added in PMBOK.
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Apr 11, 2020 10:18 AM
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Syed -
Had the Seventh Edition followed the format of earlier additions it is possible they might have added more tools and techniques, but with the new version being principles rather than process/techniques based, such content is likely to be set up in Standards Plus.