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John Fraser Senior Organizational and Process Consultant| Saudi Aramco Cheadle, Cheshire, United Kingdom
I am running a project at the moment that is looking at the relationship and management between contractors and sub contractors in a manufacturing environment.

For example, a contractor welding pipework and then having it non destructive tested (ndt) by a sub-contractor. How is it best to ensure the efficacy of the process and ensure no corners are cut?

Any examples and/ or associated forms or documents in. Relation to same would be much appreciated.
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Ravi Bhatia College Point, Ny, United States
John, I have found that a detailed scope spreadsheet (matrix) identifying deliverables by all parties be included in the contract (or agreement document). In that matrix, it is important to have the following columns for each scope item: BY PRIME CONTRACTOR, BY SUBCONTRACTOR, BY MANUFACTURER, BY OTHERS. Quality is a critical component of manufacturing contracts; as such, it must be defined in the scope matrix with clear metrics. Testing support can be source of contention because unless it is clearly identified up front, there is a strong possibility of a dispute. Even if the amount of testing support is not known up front, it is good to carry an "ALLOWANCE" of X days or X man-hours. Clarity is the project manager's best friend.
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Apr 14, 2020 1:37 AM
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Hi Ravi,

Very much obliged. If I may ask, do you have a sample spreadsheet of the type that you suggest. For example, a blank template that outlines a typical matrix?

It would be useful to see something that has been used in anger so to speak rather than something that I've randomly pulled together. It would also be beneficial to see any scoring or ranking that is used.

Regards
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
John -

Ravi is spot on with the need for a clear understanding of scope and the respective responsibilities of contractors and subs. To his feedback, I'd add that it is also important for all parties to be aware of the expected outcomes of the project as well as their portion of it and the contracts established should ideally encourage shared alignment of approaches, objectives and performance measures.

Kiron
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John Fraser Senior Organizational and Process Consultant| Saudi Aramco Cheadle, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Apr 13, 2020 2:44 PM
Replying to Ravi Bhatia
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John, I have found that a detailed scope spreadsheet (matrix) identifying deliverables by all parties be included in the contract (or agreement document). In that matrix, it is important to have the following columns for each scope item: BY PRIME CONTRACTOR, BY SUBCONTRACTOR, BY MANUFACTURER, BY OTHERS. Quality is a critical component of manufacturing contracts; as such, it must be defined in the scope matrix with clear metrics. Testing support can be source of contention because unless it is clearly identified up front, there is a strong possibility of a dispute. Even if the amount of testing support is not known up front, it is good to carry an "ALLOWANCE" of X days or X man-hours. Clarity is the project manager's best friend.
Hi Ravi,

Very much obliged. If I may ask, do you have a sample spreadsheet of the type that you suggest. For example, a blank template that outlines a typical matrix?

It would be useful to see something that has been used in anger so to speak rather than something that I've randomly pulled together. It would also be beneficial to see any scoring or ranking that is used.

Regards
Hi John,
As far as I can think of an agreed RACI martrix and a runbook between all the parties involved should address your question.
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Apr 14, 2020 4:50 AM
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Hi Debasish, I am familiar with the RACI matrix and the application of same. However, could you please send me an example of a runbook or clarification of the term as I may know it as something different.
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John Fraser Senior Organizational and Process Consultant| Saudi Aramco Cheadle, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Apr 14, 2020 3:27 AM
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Hi John,
As far as I can think of an agreed RACI martrix and a runbook between all the parties involved should address your question.
Hi Debasish, I am familiar with the RACI matrix and the application of same. However, could you please send me an example of a runbook or clarification of the term as I may know it as something different.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
It is one of the more difficult situations a project manager has to live, at least in my personal experience. The point is: who is managing the whole project?. Just in case there is one project manager for all the project then she/he is accountable for coordinating the actions in the whole project no matter who make the activities. With that said, the second point is: are project managers assigned in the contractor side? That´s will help on coordination. If not, you need to have a point of contact from each subcontrator side. This type of things will help you to manage the whole project, beyond all the deliverables you created because at the end deliverables or agreements are just papers when things go into action.
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Apr 21, 2020 11:52 AM
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Thank you Sergio for your points, these are well considered.
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Milena Ilieva Program Manager Global accounts| VMWare Vienna, Austria
The question is how are the contracts worded between your company and contractors. Do you have any contracts with the sub-contractors, or they are subcontracted by the contractors?
In the projects I managed or I reviewed, we always had contractors which would sub-contracted other companies as subco's. We would not manage the sub-contractors, it was task for the contractors, which would have back to back agreement with their subco's to minimise the risk and transfer any claims in case of faults or not meeting contractual obligations.
In reality this does not work always very well, as subco's do not always deliver as expected, so we included review and reporting of their work as well during regular reporting and reviews.
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Apr 21, 2020 11:51 AM
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Hi Milena, the scenario that you describe is exactly what I have been dealing with. Sub-co's are not delivering on what has been requested. It actually is dealing with some quality assurance around the build of pipelines. If you have any examples that you can send to me in terms of blank templates would be much obliged.

Regards, John
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Peter Rapin Subject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent Consultant Ontario, Canada
This question relates to the Quality Management Plans of all stakeholders in the supply chain and an understanding of Quality Control versus Quality Assurance. As Project PM you have an obligation to ensure that these Quality Management Plans are in place and enforced. Enforcement is made possible through the contract language.

Essentially Quality Control is the responsibility of the manufacturer - the bottom line of the supply pyramid. Every one up from there is responsible for Quality Assurance - that is making sure that the Quality Control is implemented.

1) The Owner (you) makes sure the Contractor's Quality Management plan is suitable and implemented
2) The Contractor makes sure that the sub-contractor's Quality Management plan is suitable and implemented
3) The Sun-contractor makes sure that the suppliers Quality Management plan is suitable and implemented.

One thing you want to avoid is taking charge of the Quality Management plan from top to bottom. Do not, under any circumstances take responsibility for the contractor's, sub-contractor's or suppliers Quality Control.

Once you have accepted this approach the suggested worksheet works fine.
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Apr 21, 2020 11:48 AM
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Very much obliged Peter, these are excellent points and I will take them onboard.
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John Fraser Senior Organizational and Process Consultant| Saudi Aramco Cheadle, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Apr 21, 2020 10:59 AM
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This question relates to the Quality Management Plans of all stakeholders in the supply chain and an understanding of Quality Control versus Quality Assurance. As Project PM you have an obligation to ensure that these Quality Management Plans are in place and enforced. Enforcement is made possible through the contract language.

Essentially Quality Control is the responsibility of the manufacturer - the bottom line of the supply pyramid. Every one up from there is responsible for Quality Assurance - that is making sure that the Quality Control is implemented.

1) The Owner (you) makes sure the Contractor's Quality Management plan is suitable and implemented
2) The Contractor makes sure that the sub-contractor's Quality Management plan is suitable and implemented
3) The Sun-contractor makes sure that the suppliers Quality Management plan is suitable and implemented.

One thing you want to avoid is taking charge of the Quality Management plan from top to bottom. Do not, under any circumstances take responsibility for the contractor's, sub-contractor's or suppliers Quality Control.

Once you have accepted this approach the suggested worksheet works fine.
Very much obliged Peter, these are excellent points and I will take them onboard.
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John Fraser Senior Organizational and Process Consultant| Saudi Aramco Cheadle, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Apr 20, 2020 5:01 PM
Replying to Milena Ilieva
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The question is how are the contracts worded between your company and contractors. Do you have any contracts with the sub-contractors, or they are subcontracted by the contractors?
In the projects I managed or I reviewed, we always had contractors which would sub-contracted other companies as subco's. We would not manage the sub-contractors, it was task for the contractors, which would have back to back agreement with their subco's to minimise the risk and transfer any claims in case of faults or not meeting contractual obligations.
In reality this does not work always very well, as subco's do not always deliver as expected, so we included review and reporting of their work as well during regular reporting and reviews.
Hi Milena, the scenario that you describe is exactly what I have been dealing with. Sub-co's are not delivering on what has been requested. It actually is dealing with some quality assurance around the build of pipelines. If you have any examples that you can send to me in terms of blank templates would be much obliged.

Regards, John
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