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Mark Davidson Land Manager| Diamond Head Resources, LLC Denver, Co, United States
Hello,

I am having difficulties understanding the flow of the 5 process groups, 10 knowledge areas, and 49 processes. I know this sounds like a pretty broad questions as the PMBOK is basically all of this in a nut-shull. BUT, I am having a hard time understanding the ITTO's specifically related to all of this.

I can't seem to memorize the graphs and charts to understand how all of the processes flow together and work off each other.

Can somebody help me with a good tool or source to better wrap my head around this?

I understand the big picture of each KA and concepts involved and key terms and such.

I guess you could say my studying in these areas is at a 'high-level' and I can't seem to dissect the process like I want.

Hope this makes sense - thanks for any help/input!
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Mark Davidson Land Manager| Diamond Head Resources, LLC Denver, Co, United States
I am specifically struggling with questions that pertain to:

- "What is the next step for this process?"
- "Is this an input/tool,technique/output?"
- "Does this belong in planning/initiating/executing/monitoring, controlling/closing?"

These questions seem to stump me the most out of a lot of the practice questions I have come across..
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Janice Grier Senior Technical Vendor Manager| ATT Shelby Township, Mi, United States
I used Rita Mulcahy's resources along with the PMBOK mainly for my studies. However, the Andy Crowe Quick Reference Guide helped me to visually see the flow. Hope this helps.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Mark -

It is better to understand the relationships between the processes and the purpose behind each process to gain the confidence you need. Also remember that only a small percentage of PMP exam questions are foundational knowledge - most are scenario/application-based.

Kiron
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1 reply by Mark Davidson
Apr 21, 2020 4:15 PM
Mark Davidson
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That's easy to put it. I have noticed this as being the case but I don't know how to study for this sort of thing. I'm used to just cramming and passing a test. However - I feel like I am lacking understanding the bigger picture to all of this.

And I feel like the course work that I took didn't get over most of the stuff I am missing in too much detail. Would referencing the PMBOK help me with this missing gap?

Thanks.
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Mark Davidson Land Manager| Diamond Head Resources, LLC Denver, Co, United States
Apr 21, 2020 3:38 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Mark -

It is better to understand the relationships between the processes and the purpose behind each process to gain the confidence you need. Also remember that only a small percentage of PMP exam questions are foundational knowledge - most are scenario/application-based.

Kiron
That's easy to put it. I have noticed this as being the case but I don't know how to study for this sort of thing. I'm used to just cramming and passing a test. However - I feel like I am lacking understanding the bigger picture to all of this.

And I feel like the course work that I took didn't get over most of the stuff I am missing in too much detail. Would referencing the PMBOK help me with this missing gap?

Thanks.
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Apr 22, 2020 8:03 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Mark -

The PMBOK Guide should be used as a reference but not as a primary learning tool as that is not what its purpose was.

This is where a well written PMP Prep guide or a good quality PMP Prep course can help as the author/facilitator can "connect the dots" for you.

An example of this is understanding the connections between Direct and Manage Project Work, Control Quality and Validate Scope. Each deals with deliverables but are steps in a flow where the first produces unverified deliverables, the second verified deliverables and the third accepted deliverables. The PMBOK Guide won't point out this flow to you but a good author or facilitator will.

Kiron
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Kevin Swanzy Division Sr Project Manager| HCA Healthcare Hendersonville, Nc, United States
Mark,

I found it took multiple passes over the information to put it all together. I took the PMTraining class for my 35 hours and read the PMBOK chapter associated with each class over 6 weeks. This was the first pass.

2nd pass was in my case Andy’s book reading/studying the PMBOK chapter with each chapter in Andy’s book. This allowed me to understand each Knowledge Area.

I then used a 3rd pass to put it all together. Clearly not a cram and test approach will work as you must internalize the information. I also took around 1600 test questions and invested over 200 hours in about 4 months.

Hope this helps,

Kevin
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Apr 21, 2020 4:15 PM
Replying to Mark Davidson
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That's easy to put it. I have noticed this as being the case but I don't know how to study for this sort of thing. I'm used to just cramming and passing a test. However - I feel like I am lacking understanding the bigger picture to all of this.

And I feel like the course work that I took didn't get over most of the stuff I am missing in too much detail. Would referencing the PMBOK help me with this missing gap?

Thanks.
Mark -

The PMBOK Guide should be used as a reference but not as a primary learning tool as that is not what its purpose was.

This is where a well written PMP Prep guide or a good quality PMP Prep course can help as the author/facilitator can "connect the dots" for you.

An example of this is understanding the connections between Direct and Manage Project Work, Control Quality and Validate Scope. Each deals with deliverables but are steps in a flow where the first produces unverified deliverables, the second verified deliverables and the third accepted deliverables. The PMBOK Guide won't point out this flow to you but a good author or facilitator will.

Kiron
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1 reply by Mark Davidson
Apr 22, 2020 12:27 PM
Mark Davidson
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Yes Kiron, this is the missing link that I need to understand as I feel like right now I only understand key concepts and terms but don't understand how the processes flow.

Would Rita's book be good for this - I have seen a lot of people mentioning this on here.

Thanks for the help!
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Mark Davidson Land Manager| Diamond Head Resources, LLC Denver, Co, United States
Apr 22, 2020 8:03 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Mark -

The PMBOK Guide should be used as a reference but not as a primary learning tool as that is not what its purpose was.

This is where a well written PMP Prep guide or a good quality PMP Prep course can help as the author/facilitator can "connect the dots" for you.

An example of this is understanding the connections between Direct and Manage Project Work, Control Quality and Validate Scope. Each deals with deliverables but are steps in a flow where the first produces unverified deliverables, the second verified deliverables and the third accepted deliverables. The PMBOK Guide won't point out this flow to you but a good author or facilitator will.

Kiron
Yes Kiron, this is the missing link that I need to understand as I feel like right now I only understand key concepts and terms but don't understand how the processes flow.

Would Rita's book be good for this - I have seen a lot of people mentioning this on here.

Thanks for the help!
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Apr 22, 2020 4:38 PM
Kiron Bondale
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One of the other community members would be a much better advocate for the RMC self-study guide as I've never used that either as a learner (I don't think it existed back in 2000!) or as a teacher. I teach students using the Velociteach kit and find that their materials certainly do connect the dots for my learners.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Apr 22, 2020 12:27 PM
Replying to Mark Davidson
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Yes Kiron, this is the missing link that I need to understand as I feel like right now I only understand key concepts and terms but don't understand how the processes flow.

Would Rita's book be good for this - I have seen a lot of people mentioning this on here.

Thanks for the help!
One of the other community members would be a much better advocate for the RMC self-study guide as I've never used that either as a learner (I don't think it existed back in 2000!) or as a teacher. I teach students using the Velociteach kit and find that their materials certainly do connect the dots for my learners.
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Win Myat Aung Senior Project Manager| None Yangon, Hlaing Township, Myanmar
Dear Mark,

Table 1-4, page 25 of PMBOK guide is a good start and it is good to carry on with flowcharts demonstrated for each knowledge area. PMP Prep course by Daniel Ryan, to recommend one of a few, is suitable for you in this requirement.
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1 reply by Mark Davidson
Apr 23, 2020 11:37 AM
Mark Davidson
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Thank you! I will look into him. Page 25 is a good broad starting point for 5 Process Groups 10 Knowledge Areas which I think I understand decently. It's when it decomposes it down in all of the processes in that chart where I kind of start to lose it. A lot of very detailed information! Hard to wrap my head around all of the critical points.

I'll keep plugging away and hopefully it will click one of these days!

One Question in specific I do have:

Does Project Integration Management come first and then Scope Management, Schedule Management, Cost Management, etc. or does it all happen together when the Project Management Plan is laid out? I have noticed that each KA has their own specific plan as well (subsidiary plans) to the PM Plan...

Hope this makes sense.
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Mark Davidson Land Manager| Diamond Head Resources, LLC Denver, Co, United States
Apr 23, 2020 12:36 AM
Replying to Win Myat Aung
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Dear Mark,

Table 1-4, page 25 of PMBOK guide is a good start and it is good to carry on with flowcharts demonstrated for each knowledge area. PMP Prep course by Daniel Ryan, to recommend one of a few, is suitable for you in this requirement.
Thank you! I will look into him. Page 25 is a good broad starting point for 5 Process Groups 10 Knowledge Areas which I think I understand decently. It's when it decomposes it down in all of the processes in that chart where I kind of start to lose it. A lot of very detailed information! Hard to wrap my head around all of the critical points.

I'll keep plugging away and hopefully it will click one of these days!

One Question in specific I do have:

Does Project Integration Management come first and then Scope Management, Schedule Management, Cost Management, etc. or does it all happen together when the Project Management Plan is laid out? I have noticed that each KA has their own specific plan as well (subsidiary plans) to the PM Plan...

Hope this makes sense.
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2 replies by Nellaiappan L and Win Myat Aung
Apr 23, 2020 12:32 PM
Nellaiappan L
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Hi Mark, I would recommend, not to read Project Integration Management completely at first. Read Develop Project Charter and Develop Project Management Plan process. After that, jump on to 5th Chapter. Moving from 5th chapter, you can follow that order of all chapters and then finally come back to Integration Management. The Integration management is a generic process to accommodate all the activities happened in the project.

If you had hard time in going chapter basis, another suggestion would be by Process group wise. Do read all the processes belongs to Initation first across the chapter, then move on to Planning process group and move on to other process group. This will be easy for your understand the flow.

If you feel the PMBOK is very dry to read (obviously you have to read it atleast twice) a good start will be with Head First PMP book which will be very user friendly.

From my perspective, Rita's PMP preparation is completely different and if you start following Rita, it will be difficult to match with PMBOK. Rita book is purely for cracking for exam and not the applying knowledge (from my point of view).

Hope this helps
Apr 24, 2020 11:58 AM
Win Myat Aung
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Dear Mark,

My advice:

1) Look into Table 1-4, page 25 first. It is better to check 5 process groups one by one vertically.
2) Then go to Figure 4-1 through Figure 13-1. Concentrate on inputs and from where they come referring Table 1-4. Take note of each outputs.

To the best of my knowledge,
developing project management plan is a concurrent planning of other (component) management plans in planning stage with priorities on
Communication management plan
Quality management plan &
Steakholder management plan
since those are most interrelated with other management plans.

Hope this explains your query.
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