Further Discussion on Working From Home in the Long Term
Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
There have been a number of postings dealing with WFH in the last couple weeks due to the demands of the pandemic response (physical separation). Many are of the opinion that WFH is so advantageous that it will continue after the pandemic response has been relaxed and may even become a "new way" of doing things in the future. Four concerns I would like to get responses to:
1) coping with the home distractions;
2) maintaining reasonable balance between work and personal life. Is the 40 hour work week in jeopardy?
3) cost of home office - currently the government in many jurisdictions allow tax breaks for home office costs as cost of doing business (should the tax base be expected to subsidize these business costs? to what extent should companies be required to pick up the expenses?)
4) who owns commuting time. I have heard of managers expecting, even demanding, that employees apply saved commuting time to the daily work commitment. Is this fair? (see 2 above re 40 hour work week) Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Apr 25, 2020 10:22 AM
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Thanks for the input. Many underestimate the expenses of WFH although it is very much related to the nature of the work and one's work habits.
You are welcome. In my case it was a result of cost/benefit analysis. The beneift home office give me versus the associated cost (monetary and non monetary) I assumed are good for me. For example, in my case, I am paying for the internet service but I do not have to go to the office (25 km from my home) and I can manage my work/life time using the time available for not going/returning to the office. In my personal evaluation internet service is something I had in my home and I have to have it no matter I work from home or not. Other example is I do not have an exclusive space in my home to use as an "office". But it does not matter for me because I use a notebook then I can move to the space I consider the best for making my work "happy" and confortable. And the basic thing: nobody in my company can take my time and space. I mean, while I am open to exceptions, I manage my time and space no matter I am involved on programs where the top, top, top management in the company are key stakeholders. At the end, as other things in the life, is up to you.
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1 reply by Peter Rapin
Apr 25, 2020 4:00 PM
Peter Rapin
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My concern would be for the less senior employees who cannot dictate their working conditions and may have tighter space at the home front. It costs me about 5000$Can per year for gross home office expenses and I get to deduct it from my income so its quite manageable. But for someone starting out with little capital it may be a bit more of a challenge.
I see the future with more and more professional people going the independent contractor route providing more flexibility for the individual and company advantages with reduced payroll benefits. However, the individual takes on greater employment risk.
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Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
Apr 25, 2020 10:55 AM
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You are welcome. In my case it was a result of cost/benefit analysis. The beneift home office give me versus the associated cost (monetary and non monetary) I assumed are good for me. For example, in my case, I am paying for the internet service but I do not have to go to the office (25 km from my home) and I can manage my work/life time using the time available for not going/returning to the office. In my personal evaluation internet service is something I had in my home and I have to have it no matter I work from home or not. Other example is I do not have an exclusive space in my home to use as an "office". But it does not matter for me because I use a notebook then I can move to the space I consider the best for making my work "happy" and confortable. And the basic thing: nobody in my company can take my time and space. I mean, while I am open to exceptions, I manage my time and space no matter I am involved on programs where the top, top, top management in the company are key stakeholders. At the end, as other things in the life, is up to you.
My concern would be for the less senior employees who cannot dictate their working conditions and may have tighter space at the home front. It costs me about 5000$Can per year for gross home office expenses and I get to deduct it from my income so its quite manageable. But for someone starting out with little capital it may be a bit more of a challenge.
I see the future with more and more professional people going the independent contractor route providing more flexibility for the individual and company advantages with reduced payroll benefits. However, the individual takes on greater employment risk.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Apr 25, 2020 6:32 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Understood. As I tried to pointed out, it is a matter of each person. If you ask me, people must be aware than if they accept to do teleworking (is not the same than home office) there is the ancient strategy that is used by companies which is known like "translate the back-end to the front-end" which is driving by reduce company operation costs. Companies costs are reduced thanks to put people on teleworking. So, we as emplyees must be aware on that. Then, we need to negotiate the conditions. In my company, my position, is consider as a Senior Employeed. No matter that, in my personal line of thinking, that´s not matter for me. There is a cost/benefit relation which is what driven my decisions in my relation with my actual employer, In my cost, cost and benefits are not monetary only, but just the way I think about this.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Apr 25, 2020 4:00 PM
Replying to Peter Rapin
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My concern would be for the less senior employees who cannot dictate their working conditions and may have tighter space at the home front. It costs me about 5000$Can per year for gross home office expenses and I get to deduct it from my income so its quite manageable. But for someone starting out with little capital it may be a bit more of a challenge.
I see the future with more and more professional people going the independent contractor route providing more flexibility for the individual and company advantages with reduced payroll benefits. However, the individual takes on greater employment risk.
Understood. As I tried to pointed out, it is a matter of each person. If you ask me, people must be aware than if they accept to do teleworking (is not the same than home office) there is the ancient strategy that is used by companies which is known like "translate the back-end to the front-end" which is driving by reduce company operation costs. Companies costs are reduced thanks to put people on teleworking. So, we as emplyees must be aware on that. Then, we need to negotiate the conditions. In my company, my position, is consider as a Senior Employeed. No matter that, in my personal line of thinking, that´s not matter for me. There is a cost/benefit relation which is what driven my decisions in my relation with my actual employer, In my cost, cost and benefits are not monetary only, but just the way I think about this.
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1 reply by Peter Rapin
Apr 25, 2020 7:02 PM
Peter Rapin
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Thanks for the discussion. You are right in that it is a matter of corporate policy and personal preference. The individual is responsible for looking after one's best interest.
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Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
Apr 25, 2020 6:32 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Understood. As I tried to pointed out, it is a matter of each person. If you ask me, people must be aware than if they accept to do teleworking (is not the same than home office) there is the ancient strategy that is used by companies which is known like "translate the back-end to the front-end" which is driving by reduce company operation costs. Companies costs are reduced thanks to put people on teleworking. So, we as emplyees must be aware on that. Then, we need to negotiate the conditions. In my company, my position, is consider as a Senior Employeed. No matter that, in my personal line of thinking, that´s not matter for me. There is a cost/benefit relation which is what driven my decisions in my relation with my actual employer, In my cost, cost and benefits are not monetary only, but just the way I think about this.
Thanks for the discussion. You are right in that it is a matter of corporate policy and personal preference. The individual is responsible for looking after one's best interest. Saving Changes...
#3 is quite important in 2 respects- firstly the question of employer contribution towards the expenses such as office furniture, power and in particular heating, also here in the UK part of the home could become liable for business rates too, say if I convert my garage.
The other respect is the portability this enables. If I am working from home it matters little if my employer is a local organisation or one from further afield, the financial comparison becomes much more important.
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1 reply by Peter Rapin
Apr 28, 2020 9:47 AM
Peter Rapin
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From a corporate perspective one has to consider if expense to operate an office can effectively be reduced with more staff working from home - less space, office equipment, etc. This would be feasible only if WFH becomes a long term (permanent) commitment from both staff and company. Otherwise, if the company has to maintain the office for the eventuality that staff will migrate back, there are no savings. Regardless who pats, the result is a duplication - a desk with services at the office and a desk with services at home. Taken as a whole there is a lowering for overall productivity.
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Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
Apr 28, 2020 5:51 AM
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#3 is quite important in 2 respects- firstly the question of employer contribution towards the expenses such as office furniture, power and in particular heating, also here in the UK part of the home could become liable for business rates too, say if I convert my garage.
The other respect is the portability this enables. If I am working from home it matters little if my employer is a local organisation or one from further afield, the financial comparison becomes much more important.
From a corporate perspective one has to consider if expense to operate an office can effectively be reduced with more staff working from home - less space, office equipment, etc. This would be feasible only if WFH becomes a long term (permanent) commitment from both staff and company. Otherwise, if the company has to maintain the office for the eventuality that staff will migrate back, there are no savings. Regardless who pats, the result is a duplication - a desk with services at the office and a desk with services at home. Taken as a whole there is a lowering for overall productivity. Saving Changes...