Should project Manager have a veto power and Power to instruct ?
Mohan KulkarniPM Specialist| MBK ConsultantsPune, Maharashtra State. India, India
This is from history of Hitler's attack on France----
Nobody expected that there would be an attack from thick Forest of Ardennes there on France..
The troops guarding that area were not well equipped and not very well trained since nobody expected an attack from such a dense forest. Moving vehicles and troops there would be very hard but the Germans did just that. They spearheaded an attack there and cut off many French troops from Paris and after that, it was just a matter of time before France fell.It was almost bloodless victory in couple of days.
Every body German top ranked military officers, and strategists viz;Mr Romel. Mr Gobel and many other were advising Mr Hitler that it is impossible to access and fight war through the jungle of Ardennes ,Hitler didnot agree and ordered to march through this jungle and rest is history.
Many times in collaboration and discussions though it is a majority decision screened through decision making matrix ,in intitutive mind of Project manager the decision arrived at by majority oyr by consensus remains lop sided and there can be project failure.
Therfore should Project manager have veto power and also should he have authority to advise and instruct what is right.
REgards
MOhan
The PM needs to show good judgment but whether or not the role has "veto" power depends on the governance structure for the project, the PM role definition and the organization's power structure.
If the PM does not agree with the decision made by a stakeholder, they should work with whoever has the decision-making rights to influence them to make a better decision.
Kiron
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Jun 20, 2020 9:45 AM
Mohan Kulkarni
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Dear Kiron
Thanks for your response and inputs
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Mohan
In my view project manager has that power in executing the project and representing the status with +ves and -ves in a way that influences the decision making.
There is clear view from project manager that is taken into account while making decision.
I agree that the authority may be not a veto, but this may be because project manager may be very good in representing the project itself, but may not be organization business priority as a whole.
So for me it will come with the role given and organization structure which will define the authority.
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2 replies by Mohan Kulkarni and Tarun Nair
Jun 21, 2020 10:08 AM
Tarun Nair
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Jun 22, 2020 3:44 AM
Mohan Kulkarni
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Dear Tarun Sorry I missed your response. I agree with you that the Project Manager has power of executiong the the project. Obviuosly he is that way lower in hierarchy of organisation structure and either reporting to Program Manager or Portfolio Manager or sometimes PMO. My view point was though as we learnt in PMP or PGMP or Project Manmagement principles , there are occassions during actual execution some times Project Manager has to put his foot down and say "this way not other way". OK, one may say that collaborative understanding and decision is like other way but fact remains the foreseeing of consequences and repercussions of collective decision can be counter productive and at the same time all that is foreseen by project manager cannot be be explained to a level of others conviction though project manager is having strong conviction of what is forseen by him. One need not call this as Veto Power but the senior leadership also be flexible enough and and should repose that level of trust in Project manager to accept and allow the project manager to move on his path as if it is consented by them and take the ownership.. I have experienced this . At Pantnagar while building Tata Motors 1000 acre Manufacturing facility. After hearing my strong resistance to steering committee's view to change the complete layout of the facility as the river was flowing through the acquired land , I almost vetoed their idea and said that this is going to kill the project . Of course my say was backed up by my thinking and my ability to get the river diverted, As far as working level project team is concerned on ( Where Project Owner or Project Sponsor is not present though ideally expected normally)technical issues after doing collaborative effort ,if the decision is not in the interest of project ,the Project manager can veto the outcome of collaboration and decide and instruct. Though we learn different decision making techniques and matrices ,practically that much time is not available to conduct that kind of exercise when you are in executing modes and may not be viable to be process oriented just for the sake of process orientation. Project Manager carries responsibility of delivering successful project at the end of the day ,hence it can be at time right approach to use his executional power and instruct to do the things. Just imagine ,had HItler followed the collective decision of his sr. Military officers and Gen. Romel's advice not to pursue the path of attack through Ardennes Jungle , Which was ofcourse intituve, it would have been almost impossible for Germany to break the defence of France breaking Proptective Wall ,just like China wall in those days. Here one may say he was war sponsor and not war manager. . My view is system or science should deliver success if not the system need be tailored to make it happen.. I agree ,that the project manager usually should not be in dictetorial mode but has to carry his team along to deliver and collaborative working , seeking advice from sponsor and steering committee is required to be followed as a rule. But as we say there are exceptions to rule , some time either in emergency or typical situations in my view Project Managerws do take cue in hand ,decide the way and keep Management informed later and Management remains magnanimous to support the decision or succumb to demand of Project manager. One thing is sure ,the project Manager shall be totally integral and focussed on Project Delivery, then only he deserves to have this ethical and professional--which he should have accued to his account with past records. Warm regards MOhan
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
I fully agree with @Kiron in general. Here my version and what I sustain and discuses for years: the PM must not have veto power. Project stakeholders are the owner of the projects. Adding to add the PM has not the whole information then she/he can not understand impacts in related projects/programs/portfolio. If there is something the PM do not agree a risk must be assigned to the stakeholder that is pushing for keeping the topic alive. That´s usually happened when project manager presents the estimations for example.
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Jun 20, 2020 9:51 AM
Mohan Kulkarni
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Dear Sergio
Thanks for your time and inputs
Warm Regards
Mohan
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Mohan KulkarniPM Specialist| MBK ConsultantsPune, Maharashtra State. India, India
Jun 19, 2020 1:33 PM
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Mohan -
The PM needs to show good judgment but whether or not the role has "veto" power depends on the governance structure for the project, the PM role definition and the organization's power structure.
If the PM does not agree with the decision made by a stakeholder, they should work with whoever has the decision-making rights to influence them to make a better decision.
Kiron
Dear Kiron
Thanks for your response and inputs
REgards
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Mohan KulkarniPM Specialist| MBK ConsultantsPune, Maharashtra State. India, India
Jun 20, 2020 9:03 AM
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I fully agree with @Kiron in general. Here my version and what I sustain and discuses for years: the PM must not have veto power. Project stakeholders are the owner of the projects. Adding to add the PM has not the whole information then she/he can not understand impacts in related projects/programs/portfolio. If there is something the PM do not agree a risk must be assigned to the stakeholder that is pushing for keeping the topic alive. That´s usually happened when project manager presents the estimations for example.
Dear Sergio
Thanks for your time and inputs
Warm Regards
Mohan
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Jun 20, 2020 10:12 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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You are welcome. Regards.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Jun 20, 2020 9:51 AM
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Dear Sergio
Thanks for your time and inputs
Warm Regards
Mohan
As a genral rule no. Apart from the fact that the PM usually has no formal authority over the project stakeholders usually many PMs don't even have the knowledge to make such a decision (veto). At most the PM can make non-binding recommendations to the stakeholders.
Obviously the PM could never veto the decision of the project sponsor since the sponsor owns the project and also pays for it.
Regarding the project team decisions the PM could veto them or even make them if he/she is a an experienced SME in a relevant line of work for the project. For instance if we are talking about an engineering project and the PM is a very experienced engineer in a relevant engineering field for the project then he can veto or even make the engineering decisions. If this is not the case then the PM must be prevented from making or vetoing any technical decision made by the SMEs working on the project.
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Jun 21, 2020 5:14 AM
Mohan Kulkarni
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Dear Adrian
Project sponsor or Product owner Controls that Veto Power as a principle or rule I agree.
That is the reason why I raised the issue giving an example of attack of Hitler on France through Ardennes Jungle.
My issue was all stakeholders were, as stakeholders including his Military team , firmly against this particular thought of Hitler --Hitler should be considered here as a topmost boss or war sponsor ,instead of eaquating him to War Manager. I appreciate your thought given from engineering field.
I also appreciate your thought that within project team if Project Manager is Guru---more so I thinnk he will acquire subject Matter expert he may be given the vetoing power, more so I think as a subject matter expert he or she would have qcquired that vetoeing power through visibly experienced competency by other stakeholders including sponsor. SO they will never overrule such SME Project manager immedietely without giving the rethought to the decision under consideration . But still the final decision would be made by the Project sponsor.. I agree.
Thanks for your time and inputs.
Warm regards
Mohan
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Mohan KulkarniPM Specialist| MBK ConsultantsPune, Maharashtra State. India, India
Jun 20, 2020 6:35 PM
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As a genral rule no. Apart from the fact that the PM usually has no formal authority over the project stakeholders usually many PMs don't even have the knowledge to make such a decision (veto). At most the PM can make non-binding recommendations to the stakeholders.
Obviously the PM could never veto the decision of the project sponsor since the sponsor owns the project and also pays for it.
Regarding the project team decisions the PM could veto them or even make them if he/she is a an experienced SME in a relevant line of work for the project. For instance if we are talking about an engineering project and the PM is a very experienced engineer in a relevant engineering field for the project then he can veto or even make the engineering decisions. If this is not the case then the PM must be prevented from making or vetoing any technical decision made by the SMEs working on the project.
Dear Adrian
Project sponsor or Product owner Controls that Veto Power as a principle or rule I agree.
That is the reason why I raised the issue giving an example of attack of Hitler on France through Ardennes Jungle.
My issue was all stakeholders were, as stakeholders including his Military team , firmly against this particular thought of Hitler --Hitler should be considered here as a topmost boss or war sponsor ,instead of eaquating him to War Manager. I appreciate your thought given from engineering field.
I also appreciate your thought that within project team if Project Manager is Guru---more so I thinnk he will acquire subject Matter expert he may be given the vetoing power, more so I think as a subject matter expert he or she would have qcquired that vetoeing power through visibly experienced competency by other stakeholders including sponsor. SO they will never overrule such SME Project manager immedietely without giving the rethought to the decision under consideration . But still the final decision would be made by the Project sponsor.. I agree.
Thanks for your time and inputs.
Warm regards
Mohan Saving Changes...
In my view project manager has that power in executing the project and representing the status with +ves and -ves in a way that influences the decision making.
There is clear view from project manager that is taken into account while making decision.
I agree that the authority may be not a veto, but this may be because project manager may be very good in representing the project itself, but may not be organization business priority as a whole.
So for me it will come with the role given and organization structure which will define the authority.
I miss your feedback on my comment.
Generally your feedback help in to look at different perspective or view.
Just asking, incase i missed context? Saving Changes...