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Board members not eligible as volunteer PMP Trainer in an ATP certified Chapter

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Joao Sarmento Senior Project/Program Manager| UNITEL Luanda, Luanda, Angola
Hello,

It came to our attention that under the new ATP program, board members (or others in deciding positions) are not eligible as PMP Trainers in an ATP certified Chapter.

We've heard somewhere that trainers should always be paid (information pending confirmation).

Since in Angola there are no public ATP/REP, there are only a few certified professionals, our language is not english and generally income is low, PMI Angola has been helping with this.

To tackle all these difficulties, our chapter trainers are certified volunteers, who work pro bono to build a stronger PM community in the country and make the PM profession known and recognized, maintaining course prices affordable for candidates.

Why shouldn't board members (or others in deciding positions) and other volunteers be allowed to provide training in the Chapter, since their are not receiving any sort of income whatsoever?

If you have some experience or insights regarding these (or similar) issues, please share them!
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Emily Luijbregts Project Manager| Siemens PLM Software Breda, Netherlands
Hi Joao,
I recommend asking the PMI A.T.P Team directly as they'll be able to answer and provide clarification.
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1 reply by Joao Sarmento
Oct 21, 2020 1:51 PM
Joao Sarmento
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Hi Emily,

Thanks for the quick feedback and suggestion!

We've scheduled a meeting with PMI Africa regarding this which will occur next week.

I was 'kind of trying' to pick on the community's experience and insights regarding these issues, to better prepare for it :)
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Joao Sarmento Senior Project/Program Manager| UNITEL Luanda, Luanda, Angola
Oct 21, 2020 1:41 PM
Replying to Emily Luijbregts
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Hi Joao,
I recommend asking the PMI A.T.P Team directly as they'll be able to answer and provide clarification.
Hi Emily,

Thanks for the quick feedback and suggestion!

We've scheduled a meeting with PMI Africa regarding this which will occur next week.

I was 'kind of trying' to pick on the community's experience and insights regarding these issues, to better prepare for it :)
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Joao -

The rationale behind this policy is to prevent a conflict of interest between Chapter board members and third-party training organizations.

PMI might grant an exclusion based on the special circumstances in Angola if there really are no viable alternatives to the chapter itself providing such training so long as the courses were offered "at cost" (i.e. just covering PMI's royalty fees on the courseware).

Kiron
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1 reply by Joao Sarmento
Oct 22, 2020 9:45 AM
Joao Sarmento
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Hi Kiron,

Thanks for your inputs!

I definitely understand the rationale on a mature market with several players... but this is not the case, since there is no benefit for board members/volunteers, no third-party training organizations are very few people with the certifications, capabilities and willingness to help make the PM profession known and recognized within the country...

Let's see what we can align with PMI regarding this. Maybe they grant this...
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Abolfazl Yousefi Darestani Manager, Quality and Continuous Improvement| Hörmann-TNR Industrial Doors Newmarket, Ontario, Canada
Kiron made a goof point.
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1 reply by Joao Sarmento
Oct 22, 2020 9:46 AM
Joao Sarmento
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Hi Abolfazl,

Usually Kiron does that :)

Thanks for participating!
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Joao Sarmento Senior Project/Program Manager| UNITEL Luanda, Luanda, Angola
Oct 21, 2020 4:29 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Joao -

The rationale behind this policy is to prevent a conflict of interest between Chapter board members and third-party training organizations.

PMI might grant an exclusion based on the special circumstances in Angola if there really are no viable alternatives to the chapter itself providing such training so long as the courses were offered "at cost" (i.e. just covering PMI's royalty fees on the courseware).

Kiron
Hi Kiron,

Thanks for your inputs!

I definitely understand the rationale on a mature market with several players... but this is not the case, since there is no benefit for board members/volunteers, no third-party training organizations are very few people with the certifications, capabilities and willingness to help make the PM profession known and recognized within the country...

Let's see what we can align with PMI regarding this. Maybe they grant this...
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Joao Sarmento Senior Project/Program Manager| UNITEL Luanda, Luanda, Angola
Oct 22, 2020 8:11 AM
Replying to Abolfazl Yousefi Darestani
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Kiron made a goof point.
Hi Abolfazl,

Usually Kiron does that :)

Thanks for participating!

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