Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
This is an ancient idea that have been in place from long time ago. In fact, I worked on companies that sell this type of tools as presales responsible and I was involved in creating base code from some of those tools. So, people can use it? Yes. The results will be they expected? No. Mainly today where all related to architecture must been put in the first place again. Saving Changes...
Alan ManSenior Consultant| Reveal GroupNorth York, Ontario, Canada
Yes I have I'm actually a developer for low/nocode tool for clients.
we've created ones typically for processing backoffice functions and the systems are legacy systems normally. So the company doesn't want to spent millions of dollars upfront to revamp their systems but, need to do cost savings so this is typically a quicker options than a full scale system implementation
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1 reply by Jody Temple White
Dec 02, 2020 5:46 PM
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Very cool Alan. The replacing and/or integrating with legacy systems cost-effectively is a huge win for companies who are willing to embrace the low code/no code tools.
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Jody Temple WhiteCitizen Developer, PMP, Operations Specialist| ASG Projects, LLCPortland, Or, United States
Dec 02, 2020 5:40 PM
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Yes I have I'm actually a developer for low/nocode tool for clients.
we've created ones typically for processing backoffice functions and the systems are legacy systems normally. So the company doesn't want to spent millions of dollars upfront to revamp their systems but, need to do cost savings so this is typically a quicker options than a full scale system implementation
Very cool Alan. The replacing and/or integrating with legacy systems cost-effectively is a huge win for companies who are willing to embrace the low code/no code tools. Saving Changes...
Ryan JonesBusiness Consultant| Oldbury ConsultingBarbados
While it now has a name (Citizen Development) and is becoming a mainstream discussion, I think this concept has been around for quite some time. In fact, I would propose that we are now into a third age of this. Remember those time consuming reports many of us had to prepare? With Excel macros and light VBA to the rescue, days of tedious consolidation was transformed into the click of a button. This was a first age of low code solutions. Next came the BPM tools that allowed development of business applications and workflows with little more than moving a few boxes and components. (Well it did involve more than just that and often some code was still required in the back end to link data or finetune the processes), But these tools did allow rapid and simplified development of business applications like client onboarding systems, by less code savvy professionals. (to me this was the second age). Now, many of these BPM tools have been further improved and simplified, allowing applications to be developed with even less code required. In addition, the 'Citizen' Developer' arsenal now also has a variety of AI driven tools for codeless or code-light development of websites, mobile applications and other business tools. This I believe is the start of a third age.
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Dec 06, 2020 11:10 AM
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Totally agree Ryan. Thanks for sharing and laying it out so nicely. What kinds of solutions are you creating these days and what are your favorite go-to tools?
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Jody Temple WhiteCitizen Developer, PMP, Operations Specialist| ASG Projects, LLCPortland, Or, United States
Dec 04, 2020 10:32 AM
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While it now has a name (Citizen Development) and is becoming a mainstream discussion, I think this concept has been around for quite some time. In fact, I would propose that we are now into a third age of this. Remember those time consuming reports many of us had to prepare? With Excel macros and light VBA to the rescue, days of tedious consolidation was transformed into the click of a button. This was a first age of low code solutions. Next came the BPM tools that allowed development of business applications and workflows with little more than moving a few boxes and components. (Well it did involve more than just that and often some code was still required in the back end to link data or finetune the processes), But these tools did allow rapid and simplified development of business applications like client onboarding systems, by less code savvy professionals. (to me this was the second age). Now, many of these BPM tools have been further improved and simplified, allowing applications to be developed with even less code required. In addition, the 'Citizen' Developer' arsenal now also has a variety of AI driven tools for codeless or code-light development of websites, mobile applications and other business tools. This I believe is the start of a third age.
Totally agree Ryan. Thanks for sharing and laying it out so nicely. What kinds of solutions are you creating these days and what are your favorite go-to tools?
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1 reply by Ryan Jones
Dec 07, 2020 9:43 AM
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In my previous organisation we adopted SharePoint and Nintex to encourage unit/department level automation and productivity through end-user applications. Out of the initiative we also ended up building some enterprise wide apps using the same tools; such as one for managing continuous improvement ideas, where staff could put forward ideas and have their peers, comment, like, and volunteer to assist with implementation. Last one I worked on was a project resource onboarding tool. The business challenge was that staff seconded to projects sometimes fell off the usual performance management and HR cycles. The onboarding app ensured that PM's continued to provide performance feedback to Line Managers and that HR adjusted their payroll to the project etc. Many business units started to use the tools to create their own process automations and to assist them, we created a small COE to provide support if they experienced technical difficulties in development or deployment of their apps.
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Ryan JonesBusiness Consultant| Oldbury ConsultingBarbados
Dec 06, 2020 11:10 AM
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Totally agree Ryan. Thanks for sharing and laying it out so nicely. What kinds of solutions are you creating these days and what are your favorite go-to tools?
In my previous organisation we adopted SharePoint and Nintex to encourage unit/department level automation and productivity through end-user applications. Out of the initiative we also ended up building some enterprise wide apps using the same tools; such as one for managing continuous improvement ideas, where staff could put forward ideas and have their peers, comment, like, and volunteer to assist with implementation. Last one I worked on was a project resource onboarding tool. The business challenge was that staff seconded to projects sometimes fell off the usual performance management and HR cycles. The onboarding app ensured that PM's continued to provide performance feedback to Line Managers and that HR adjusted their payroll to the project etc. Many business units started to use the tools to create their own process automations and to assist them, we created a small COE to provide support if they experienced technical difficulties in development or deployment of their apps.
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1 reply by Jody Temple White
Dec 15, 2020 5:02 PM
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What great examples of how you brought it into the whole organization. Thanks for sharing. For creating your CoE, what insights or tips can you share on that topic?
Hi Jody. No-code and Low-code are different concepts. No-code help create simple apps quickly, normally through the use of "drag-and-drop" functionalities and templates. However, if you need to create complex, enterprise-level applications, at some point you will have to "write" some code. Here's where low-code software development platforms come to action. They are a high-level language that allow you to describe the business rules and processes in abstraction and then code generators and AI create the code, the programs and the databases automatically. Forrester has predicted that in 2021, 75% of the software houses will adopt low-code given the urgent need to create software in an agile way left by the pandemic. You can check GeneXus (https://www.genexus.com/en/) which is what I believe the longest standing low-code platform in the market. Hope it helps!
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2 replies by Jody Temple White and UmaMaheswaraRao putrevu
Dec 15, 2020 5:05 PM
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Thanks Jaime. Impressive stat by Forrester "75% of software houses will adopt low-code." What has your experience been creating or using either low-code or no-code tools?
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Jody Temple WhiteCitizen Developer, PMP, Operations Specialist| ASG Projects, LLCPortland, Or, United States
Dec 07, 2020 9:43 AM
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In my previous organisation we adopted SharePoint and Nintex to encourage unit/department level automation and productivity through end-user applications. Out of the initiative we also ended up building some enterprise wide apps using the same tools; such as one for managing continuous improvement ideas, where staff could put forward ideas and have their peers, comment, like, and volunteer to assist with implementation. Last one I worked on was a project resource onboarding tool. The business challenge was that staff seconded to projects sometimes fell off the usual performance management and HR cycles. The onboarding app ensured that PM's continued to provide performance feedback to Line Managers and that HR adjusted their payroll to the project etc. Many business units started to use the tools to create their own process automations and to assist them, we created a small COE to provide support if they experienced technical difficulties in development or deployment of their apps.
What great examples of how you brought it into the whole organization. Thanks for sharing. For creating your CoE, what insights or tips can you share on that topic?
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1 reply by Ryan Jones
Dec 18, 2020 12:20 PM
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Great question Jody. Here are my top 3 insights/reflections, from implementing the CoE:
1) Start small and build on successes. Executive buy-in and access to funding was a huge challenge at first. To get over this we had to get some small wins and 'sell' the heck out of the returns to engage interest and eventually get funding for the CoE. (Find the most interested Exec, deliver benefits for them and use that support and success to grow) 2) Choose the right people for the CoE. You need folk that are entrepreneurial and that can manage in chaos. No matter how much you train business-users to build their own tools, or how simple the tech seems, remember that there are folk that struggle with formatting an email. Your CoE team has to be able to effectively manage and guide these types of users without them getting frustrated and scuttling the initiative (which can cost credibility, support and funding) 3) Have some rules in place. At the end of the day, the tools that are built have to be auditable and risk managed. It pays dividends in the long run to have some rules, guidelines and standards in place to help manage this. For example, in addition to user support guides, my team created a document that outlined some basic rules around SharePoint/Nintex usage such as department administrator roles, data governance and access control for applications built using the tools etc. (always be prepared for the 'what if' questions from Internal Audit and others)
One of my other early lessons, was to be agile, use agile techniques, but not to call it agile. There was still so much misunderstanding around what agile actually is, that it often detracted from what we were actually trying to accomplish.
Hope this helps.
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Jody Temple WhiteCitizen Developer, PMP, Operations Specialist| ASG Projects, LLCPortland, Or, United States
Dec 12, 2020 9:49 AM
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Hi Jody. No-code and Low-code are different concepts. No-code help create simple apps quickly, normally through the use of "drag-and-drop" functionalities and templates. However, if you need to create complex, enterprise-level applications, at some point you will have to "write" some code. Here's where low-code software development platforms come to action. They are a high-level language that allow you to describe the business rules and processes in abstraction and then code generators and AI create the code, the programs and the databases automatically. Forrester has predicted that in 2021, 75% of the software houses will adopt low-code given the urgent need to create software in an agile way left by the pandemic. You can check GeneXus (https://www.genexus.com/en/) which is what I believe the longest standing low-code platform in the market. Hope it helps!
Thanks Jaime. Impressive stat by Forrester "75% of software houses will adopt low-code." What has your experience been creating or using either low-code or no-code tools? Saving Changes...
Ryan JonesBusiness Consultant| Oldbury ConsultingBarbados
Dec 15, 2020 5:02 PM
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What great examples of how you brought it into the whole organization. Thanks for sharing. For creating your CoE, what insights or tips can you share on that topic?
Great question Jody. Here are my top 3 insights/reflections, from implementing the CoE:
1) Start small and build on successes. Executive buy-in and access to funding was a huge challenge at first. To get over this we had to get some small wins and 'sell' the heck out of the returns to engage interest and eventually get funding for the CoE. (Find the most interested Exec, deliver benefits for them and use that support and success to grow) 2) Choose the right people for the CoE. You need folk that are entrepreneurial and that can manage in chaos. No matter how much you train business-users to build their own tools, or how simple the tech seems, remember that there are folk that struggle with formatting an email. Your CoE team has to be able to effectively manage and guide these types of users without them getting frustrated and scuttling the initiative (which can cost credibility, support and funding) 3) Have some rules in place. At the end of the day, the tools that are built have to be auditable and risk managed. It pays dividends in the long run to have some rules, guidelines and standards in place to help manage this. For example, in addition to user support guides, my team created a document that outlined some basic rules around SharePoint/Nintex usage such as department administrator roles, data governance and access control for applications built using the tools etc. (always be prepared for the 'what if' questions from Internal Audit and others)
One of my other early lessons, was to be agile, use agile techniques, but not to call it agile. There was still so much misunderstanding around what agile actually is, that it often detracted from what we were actually trying to accomplish.
Hope this helps.
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1 reply by Jody Temple White
Dec 18, 2020 12:35 PM
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Great tips and insight. Thanks so much for sharing!