We just completed our ATP application and I will be taking the T^3 course shortly so that I can also start delivering the courseware. I'd been delivering PMP prep courses using Velociteach's excellent system over the past few years, so I'd definitely love to get specific feedback on it as I've also heard mixed reviews.
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Nicholas BurchEducator/Trainer| Global KnowledgeYork, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Bryan, I have run three course around the new exam content using the PMI supplied courseware. I have found it challenging too, as there is often not a clear flow of ideas or process running through the slides. I have used the Process Groups and the Knowledge areas as a background structure and overlaid the Predictive and Adaptive concepts, activities and practises on top. I don't find it comfortable but I am starting to get used to it.
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Bryan CampbellAgile Transformation and Coaching| 7C's Consulting Inc.Tomball, Tx, United States
Thanks Nicholas, there is definitely a big gap between the new content and the reference PMBOK which still refers to the Process Groups and KAs. Honestly, the new structure (which i was part of the review team so I might be a guilty party here) feels a little underwhelming compared to the past structure. I also find the exercises not very conducive for what I suspect is the norm these days. remote delivery.
Kiron I'd be interested in your experiences as you deliver courses.
Apparently the new PMP exam is also now based 50/50 on PMBOK and Agile Practice Guide (and ancillary reference books). Saving Changes...
Here's feedback from another ATP instructor which had been shared with me a while back regarding the courseware:
"It has a lot of typos. Some bad references like QA when they really mean QC....The ordering of information is all over the place....I have a love/hate relationship with the content.
The exercises are spot on for the most part, and are great for exam prep. The content is all there, but all over the place. The instructor absolutely has to make a conscious effort to remind students where in the timeline things go.
Content also calls out a bunch to tools and techniques as deliverables. Deliverables for resource management show up as deliverables for other knowledge areas too - vice inputs."
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Bryan CampbellAgile Transformation and Coaching| 7C's Consulting Inc.Tomball, Tx, United States
Yes the content also lacks consistency. Some of the material is copied verbatim in large blocks of text from the Instructor manual. The absence of TOC headings makes it hard to direct students to content and to match it to the older material.
I'm surprised you think the exercises are spot on. Delivering these even in onsite, instructor led environment would be a challenge.
However, not providing instructors with any means to present the activities and then locking the content in the PDF is really difficult to work with. I deliver a lot of interactive, highly collaborative training with teams and there are so many opportunities to make these exercises engaging that it's disappointing that they aren't leveraging tools like Mural or some other means to enliven the learning experience.
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Just to clarify - this was the feedback from a contact. I just completed the train-the-trainer on demand content and it was somewhat of a letdown so hoping the courseware (which I will likely purchase tomorrow) is better!
BTW, did you go with the digital or the digital & print version of the instructor materials as they are priced exactly the same?
Yes the content also lacks consistency. Some of the material is copied verbatim in large blocks of text from the Instructor manual. The absence of TOC headings makes it hard to direct students to content and to match it to the older material.
I'm surprised you think the exercises are spot on. Delivering these even in onsite, instructor led environment would be a challenge.
However, not providing instructors with any means to present the activities and then locking the content in the PDF is really difficult to work with. I deliver a lot of interactive, highly collaborative training with teams and there are so many opportunities to make these exercises engaging that it's disappointing that they aren't leveraging tools like Mural or some other means to enliven the learning experience.
Just to clarify - this was the feedback from a contact. I just completed the train-the-trainer on demand content and it was somewhat of a letdown so hoping the courseware (which I will likely purchase tomorrow) is better!
BTW, did you go with the digital or the digital & print version of the instructor materials as they are priced exactly the same?
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Falko GrafSenior International Expert Trainer for Project Management and Change Management| TIBA Managementberatung GmbHStuttgart, Germany
I just happened to find this thread. ... We use the authorized PMP Exam Prep material. It was awfully too much slides, too much text per each slide, to many deficiencies in the white book which is ordered via Logical Ops, and the suggested exercises were way too basic for our average candidate. However, after the update (June 21) it became better. The white book now contains extremely smaal screenshots of each slide, and the slides now have some (more ore less adequate) pictures on it. As it is the official PMI stuff, we use it, even if our pre-ATP legacy training materials were way better. Also it took PMI months to provide sample "cloned" exam questions. After completing 10+ Prep trainings so far, I like the approach of converting the ECO tasks into 5 the lessons. I got myself a slide deck with some examples to augment the materials provided. One big inconsistency is, that the ECO tells us, that the Domain: Processes is worth 50%, but where in the white book is there an overview (aka page#25 in the PMBOK6th ed? Saving Changes...
