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Hope Barrow Brampton, Ontario, Canada
Hi everybody, can someone in Canada please comment on this subject? Others can comment as well, but I only mentioned Canada because there are some who might be more familiar with the situation here. I hope I have the right page.

Anyway, I'm in the market for work due to Covid, and I'm finding that titles of say, Project Coordinator, Project Administrator, etc, are used interchangeably and even arbitrarily, when the requirements of the job do not relate to project work as we know it. This causes a person to spend quite a bit of time sifting through them to find something suitable. You want to ask for what you're worth in experience and training, especially since companies tend not to want to reveal their budget. Advice anyone? Thinking of pursuing certification for Agile, but if additional education will not make much difference, then I'd rather learn a whole new discipline.
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Hope Barrow Brampton, Ontario, Canada
Jan 18, 2022 11:34 AM
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Regarding asking for what you are worth based on experience and skills without knowing the oraganization's budget...

In the U.S., I gave them a salary range. On the low end, was the lowest I would be willing to accept, and the high end was my guess as to what the maximum they were willing to pay.

It's not always the best strategy because a company might go for the low end. I had that happen once out of 4 interviews where the conversation came to the point of salary and benefits. However, the company was known for giving $10k-$20k bonuses depending on quality of work for the year. That was the one differentiating factor between them and the others I interviewed with.

There was once or twice when I went too high, but those gave me a sense of what the market would bear.

In short, there are trade offs. If they are giving you a lower rate, maybe they have better benefits. Sometimes hiring managers are willing to bump up the rate a bit higher if there is a skill that you have that really differentiates you from your potential peers.

As a final point (and I know you are seeing something similar), it does take a little digging to see what the market will bear. Even in the U.S. job titles can mean one thing in one organization and something else in another. In my previous org, I was a Project Manager, sometimes was called a Program Manager, and sometimes a Project Lead. In other parts of the organization, Project Coordinators are called Project Managers in private industry. I had to work with a career services company, that specializes in DC, to help translate my organization's title to the title used by the industry I planned to work in. Sometimes we didn't quite hit the mark (i.e. a Portfolio means PMO in some places), but I ended up in a good place despite that.

V/R,

Mary
Hi Mary! Thanks for responding :), even though my question was from so long ago. I completely understand what you're saying. The salaries in Canada, at least in Ontario, tend to be less than in the US though...from what I hear. And indeed the titles do not necessarily describe the responsibilities of the function of the job. I have taken all that has been said into consideration from the various responses from you kind people, and since I'm still not satisfied in my position, I'm still looking around. I know you wish me well. :) Trying to decide on a new skill that will differentiate me from the pack. Keep safe and be well.
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
My experience is that project coordinator and project administrator are administrative support roles, nothing to do with project management. Even jobs labelled as project manager often do not meet the criteria of project management duties. It certainly makes it difficult when setting up job board notification filters.

I have yet to see a project management job posting in Canada that made certification a must. It is usually listed as an asset.

Think of the whole compensation package, rather than just salary: benefits, allowances, number of work hours. (I once accepted a salary lower than expected because they agreed to an additional vacation week.) Try to delay talks of compensation, including salary, as late as possible. Otherwise, they will use your expectations to screen you as a candidate. When they ask me for salary expectations, I usually respond that it is more important that we determine the fit between us before we settle the question of money.
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Hope Barrow Brampton, Ontario, Canada
Thank you, Stephane, for your comments. I agree especially with the last paragraph of your comments. Thanks for taking the time to give your input. :)
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Jan 27, 2022 6:36 PM
Stéphane Parent
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My pleasure, Hope. That's what we are here for.
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
Jan 26, 2022 7:20 PM
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Thank you, Stephane, for your comments. I agree especially with the last paragraph of your comments. Thanks for taking the time to give your input. :)
My pleasure, Hope. That's what we are here for.
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