Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Yesterday I had the opportunity to attend a presentation on this topic: Project Management versus Product Management
The speaker argued that predictive approaches are used in project management and that adaptive and incremental approaches are used in product management
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George FreemanThought Leader | Author | Architect| Florida, United States
Oct 21, 2021 6:15 AM
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Hi George,
Perhaps the hard part is getting everyone to agree on exactly what project management is. The PMBOK (6th Ed) says that projects are "temporary" and "a project has a definite beginning and end" in other words you start out with the intention of finishing, even if you don't know exactly what the definition of the finishing point is when you start.
Ultimately we all know that everything is temporary. Does that imply that all management is project management? Surely the differentiator that most people have in mind is that project management starts with the assumption that the work is only temporary. Product management requires no such assumption, indeed product management is often concerned with extending the value of the product for as long as possible whereas project management is more often interested in shortening the life of the project.
Hi David,
Project management, as we know, is all about processes that can be tailored and overlayed on any work activity, regardless of its lifespan or repetition. This is true of PMBOK, PRINCE2, and others. For instance, there is no discord or issue in combining PMBOK, PRINCE2, and Agile-based practices in product or project management; in fact, I view this as a tailored norm. It is only the misinterpretations and marketing carve-out narratives that create this debate.
Consider the following terms:
- Iteration, Sprint, Cycle, Timebox, Build, Increment, Phase, Milestone, Project, etc.
What do these terms mean? The answer – whatever we want them to mean. Depending on how we model the work activity, they could all mean the same thing. They are all temporary activities and all entirely appropriate to be managed under the processes of tailored project management, guided by a project manager.
If one wishes to obfuscate (the names) “project management” and “project manager,” then do so. But it doesn’t take away the fact that tailored project management processes and an individual who can wield them are the answer and solution to achieving objective outcomes.
The agilist lexicon and distinctions have greatly helped the industry and raised important issues and concerns. However, every word and precept has its basis in project management (to include all its forms). Has there been industry-wide problems related to project success rates - absolutely, and has that substantively changed since the agile movement – unfortunately, not.
The issue of successful outcomes (in my opinion) is primarily related to organizational project management maturity, corporate political mayhem, empowerment deficits, and the like. The spectrum of methods is rarely the issue, although I know everyone would prefer to state it as such. Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Oct 20, 2021 7:22 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Luis,
in my view, being predictive is a defining characteristic of the agile movement (in that it states agile is not predictive?).
Project management can be more or less predictive, in the end stakeholders want security and understand what the future might hold. Even agile frameworks predict the future, e.g. if Scrum plans for 10 sprints, you know what it costs and how long it takes, you just do not know what you will get.
Product management is important but also predictive. If I want a bridge, I plan for a bridge. But product management is very specific to the industry.
Project management tries to apply to all industries and products, so it cannot be as specific as a product development approach.
Another way to look at it: PM organizes the work, product management the deliverables.
Thomas
Dear Thomas Thinking a little better about financial products
The development of these products can be done using adaptive approaches. Pregnancy (also known as development) is a phase in the life cycle of products.
Market launch (another phase of the product lifecycle can also be done using incremental and/or adaptive approaches. (For example when launching products in multiple markets , one at a time) Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Dear Luis,
yes, there are examples of banks and Fintec creating and enhancing financial products permanently.
My own bank, ING, is a good example, but also Russia's Sberbank (which learned a lot from ING and has a compelling business case). But I have also seen recently big banks doing quite traditional transformations.
Perhaps the hard part is getting everyone to agree on exactly what project management is. The PMBOK (6th Ed) says that projects are "temporary" and "a project has a definite beginning and end" in other words you start out with the intention of finishing, even if you don't know exactly what the definition of the finishing point is when you start.
Ultimately we all know that everything is temporary. Does that imply that all management is project management? Surely the differentiator that most people have in mind is that project management starts with the assumption that the work is only temporary. Product management requires no such assumption, indeed product management is often concerned with extending the value of the product for as long as possible whereas project management is more often interested in shortening the life of the project.
I don't think that the issue is how we define terms or that product management is above all, but rather whether either is purely or even mostly predictive/adaptive.
Product management may include significant iterative and incremental changes, but there is a larger lifecycle management plan into which those changes fit, frequently with well defined phases. The system architecture of products must often consider the entire lifecycle as the product in the context of its environment. That includes things like planned upgrades, maintenance at known intervals, and retirement.
If you do not consider the product lifecycle while managing incremental changes, then you can run into issues like extra down-time by not implementing upgrades during planned maintenance, maintenance that does not consider future maintenance, or upgrades close enough to retirement where there is no ROI.
As you said, product lifecycles may also include many projects. If projects are considered "predictive", and product management contains projects, then it follows that product management contains predictive approaches.
Assuming that product management is better in iterative or incremental approaches seems to assume change implementation does not consider future changes or include projects. Either that or the terms predictive, iterative, and incremental are really internal jargon that include our own assumptions and context.
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1 reply by David Portas
Oct 23, 2021 8:59 AM
David Portas
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Well put Keith and I agree with all you say, particularly that there must be aspects of predictive and adaptive in both product and project management (as I also mentioned in my first reply in this thread).
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Oct 20, 2021 7:40 AM
Replying to David Portas
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Product management and project management can both be managed either with predictive or adaptive approaches.
The key difference is not the management approach but the fact that projects start out with the intention of reaching a definite end point whereas products often have no particular end point to aim for. A product could last indefinitely (and during its lifetime may involve one, multiple or no projects at all).
An adaptive approach may therefore be more appropriate for product management just because the end is less likely to be predictable.
Dear David Portas
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion.
I asked this question to get the opinion of the experts who make up this community.
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Oct 22, 2021 9:59 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Dear Luis,
yes, there are examples of banks and Fintec creating and enhancing financial products permanently.
My own bank, ING, is a good example, but also Russia's Sberbank (which learned a lot from ING and has a compelling business case). But I have also seen recently big banks doing quite traditional transformations.
Estremado Thomas I really enjoyed reading the interviews that you shared with us via the link Makes me think. Thank you so much for doing this Saving Changes...
I don't think that the issue is how we define terms or that product management is above all, but rather whether either is purely or even mostly predictive/adaptive.
Product management may include significant iterative and incremental changes, but there is a larger lifecycle management plan into which those changes fit, frequently with well defined phases. The system architecture of products must often consider the entire lifecycle as the product in the context of its environment. That includes things like planned upgrades, maintenance at known intervals, and retirement.
If you do not consider the product lifecycle while managing incremental changes, then you can run into issues like extra down-time by not implementing upgrades during planned maintenance, maintenance that does not consider future maintenance, or upgrades close enough to retirement where there is no ROI.
As you said, product lifecycles may also include many projects. If projects are considered "predictive", and product management contains projects, then it follows that product management contains predictive approaches.
Assuming that product management is better in iterative or incremental approaches seems to assume change implementation does not consider future changes or include projects. Either that or the terms predictive, iterative, and incremental are really internal jargon that include our own assumptions and context.
Well put Keith and I agree with all you say, particularly that there must be aspects of predictive and adaptive in both product and project management (as I also mentioned in my first reply in this thread). Saving Changes...