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Types of communication between internal and external organizations

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Yurim Park South Korea
Hello, I think communication between project participants in PM is an important part of achieving results. We know that there is horizontal and vertical communication in the internal organization. When an employee of an internal organization communicates with a manager of an external organization, can it be called vertical communication? What's your opinion?
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
Yurim,

with external communications, both sides act as agents of their respective home organizations. In a contractual relationship this is vertical, though the saying 'customer is king' suggests otherwise.

As a PM I need to set standards about external communication regarding the project. These need to align, monitor, streamline communications and set even roles. Remember, bad communications is mentioned as the No1 root cause for project problems.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Yurim -

It really depends on the role which that manager is playing with regards to the project. Someone might be in a managerial job title but be reporting to the PM as a contributor towards their project.

Kiron
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Peter Rapin Subject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent Consultant Ontario, Canada
Communication will happen whether [spell check needs to be checked] you like it (approve of it) or not. Communication itself is not the "important [as is rereading ones post] part of achieving results" - managed communication is.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I agree with Kiron. It all depends how the hierarchical structure of both organizations and the role of each of the parties.
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Abolfazl Yousefi Darestani Manager, Quality and Continuous Improvement| Hörmann-TNR Industrial Doors Newmarket, Ontario, Canada
I agree with Kiron. It depends.
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Ifeanyichukwu Ugwu Hull, East Riding Of Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Yurim,

I agree with Thomas.

Setting a standard for both internal and external communication and being flexible is paramount to the whole project stage success.
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
In your scenario, I would say that you have vertical communication at work. Regardless of the organizations of the sender and receiver, there is always an attempt to accommodate power levels.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
It does not matter, in my personal opinion. With that said, it could be possible I did not understand the point of the debate.
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Verónica Elizabeth Pozo Ruiz RYLAI Access Control Quito, Pichincha, Ecuador
Communications with stakeholders outside the company should be considered only as "external", and this communication could be formal or informal.
Vertical and horizontal communication modes are used when talking of "internal" communication types.
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Keith Novak Tukwila, Wa, United States
I agree that the question of whether you want to call it vertical or horizontal communication is largely academic and that like many things, "it depends".

I would add though that it depends on both the external manager's role on the project, and your own based on your organizational culture.

In some organizations, a PM is empowered with the authority to be the prime point of contact between the customer and supplier relationships, and act more like peers despite being a PM and not a functional manager.

In other environments, the culture may be that managers talk to managers and PMs speak when spoken to when managers are talking. In that unfortunate situation where managers are very focused on the power structure above effective communication, it can be very much a vertical communication type situation.
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