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Can the business analyst replace the product owner and agile coach?

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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
I just attended a course, promoted by linkedln, in which it is argued that the agile business analyst can replace the product owner and the agile coach

What is your opinion on this topic?
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Abolfazl Yousefi Darestani Manager, Quality and Continuous Improvement| Hörmann-TNR Industrial Doors Newmarket, Ontario, Canada
I agree with Kiron. In theory, yes.
In practice, it depends. I tend to say yes.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Jul 24, 2023 3:40 PM
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Dear Abolfazl
Thank you for participating in our exchange of opinions.
When i think about it, what you wrote makes sense.
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
Jul 24, 2023 5:30 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Thomas
Thank you for participating in this exchange of views.
If we analyze well what the agile business analyst and the product owner do, we will see that there is a great redundancy in what they both do.
From the point of view of organizational management, taking into account the overlapping activities carried out by both functions, is the existence of both justified?
Dear Luis,

not sure what an agile BA is, only heard about BA, either from PMI or IIBA (which share similarities).

A BA would typically be involved in business problems and produce a business case with options for decision. Later the BA would support in testing and Go Live. BAs may work on different problems at a time. BAs understand the enterprise architecture and make sure that products follow it.

PO indeed is mostly seen as an agile role and they are in charge of one product.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Jul 24, 2023 3:35 PM
Luis Branco
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Dear Thomas
You can consult more information at:
https://www.iiba.org/business-analysis-cer...agile-analysis/
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Jul 24, 2023 7:20 AM
Replying to Tiago Romao
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Hello Luis B.
yes business analyst can become Product Owner, and vice-versa.
Different perspective,
In complex and long projects, BA can backup PO, in weekly status meetings during vacations, like the days we are passing by. In case PO is in holidays, BA can back up their decisions, actions, etc. Note that BA activities can, and much care are, assured by the project manager
Dear Tiago
Thank you for participating with your opinion in our exchange of opinions.
When we are talking about agile business analysis, the activities performed by the PO and the Business Analyst are practically the same. Having the 2 functions for the same project is being redundant, that is, it is not justified
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Jul 24, 2023 9:12 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Dear Luis,

not sure what an agile BA is, only heard about BA, either from PMI or IIBA (which share similarities).

A BA would typically be involved in business problems and produce a business case with options for decision. Later the BA would support in testing and Go Live. BAs may work on different problems at a time. BAs understand the enterprise architecture and make sure that products follow it.

PO indeed is mostly seen as an agile role and they are in charge of one product.
Dear Thomas
You can consult more information at:
https://www.iiba.org/business-analysis-cer...agile-analysis/
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2 replies by Thomas Walenta
Jul 25, 2023 6:09 AM
Thomas Walenta
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Thanks Luis,
was not aware that IIBA was also jumping on the agile train.
Jul 25, 2023 6:09 AM
Thomas Walenta
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Thanks Luis,
was not aware that IIBA was also jumping on the agile train.
They call their phases planning horizons.
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Jul 24, 2023 8:37 AM
Replying to Abolfazl Yousefi Darestani
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I agree with Kiron. In theory, yes.
In practice, it depends. I tend to say yes.
Dear Abolfazl
Thank you for participating in our exchange of opinions.
When i think about it, what you wrote makes sense.
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Jul 22, 2023 10:35 PM
Replying to David Portas
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A defining feature of the PO is accountability for decisions about the product. The official Scrum Guide goes so far as to say: "For Product Owners to succeed, the entire organization must respect their decisions". So the person suited to fulfill that role is likely to be determined by the model of accountability within the organization. It's also worth bearing in mind that BA's are often used to working within the limited-term scope of a project. Product owners typically require a wider remit: ongoing ownership of product development regardless of what projects (if any) are active at any one time.

The best agile teams are to some degree cross-functional and therefore the entire team can be responsible for business analysis. Designating one person alone as being responsible for both analysis and prioritisation doesn't seem very realistic if the team is larger than, say, three people.
Dear David
Thank you for participating in this exchange of views.
If we analyze well what the agile business analyst and the product owner do, we will see that there is a great redundancy in what they both do.
Or is it me who is misinterpreting the proposal contained in:
https://www.iiba.org/globalassets/certific...ompetencies.pdf
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TEMISAN SAGAY Director of Programs| Capital Friends Network Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
The Agile Business Analyst CANNOT replace the Product Owner because they essentially service different functions. While the Business analyst is concerned with stakeholder liaison, assessing business efficiency, project justification and acceptance, the Product Owner is focused on maximizing the value of market-focused client-related deliverables.
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
Jul 24, 2023 3:35 PM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Thomas
You can consult more information at:
https://www.iiba.org/business-analysis-cer...agile-analysis/
Thanks Luis,
was not aware that IIBA was also jumping on the agile train.
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
Jul 24, 2023 3:35 PM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Thomas
You can consult more information at:
https://www.iiba.org/business-analysis-cer...agile-analysis/
Thanks Luis,
was not aware that IIBA was also jumping on the agile train.
They call their phases planning horizons.
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