Iheb BarhoumiEngineering manager - Program Manager - Bio pharma| Bio - Pharmaceutical CompanyTunis, Tunisia
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Does FMEA answers for the Risk Management process; or should a full Risk Analysis be done correctly to answer threats and opportunities around a Project's outcomes.
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It depends on the nature of project and the depth of your FMEA. Generally speaking, Risk Management is more than FMEA. However, you can do a FMEA which covers all risks associated with a project. Size, complexity and final/main deliverables of the project play a key role.
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1 reply by Iheb Barhoumi
Sep 12, 2023 10:40 AM
Iheb Barhoumi
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Thanks Abolfazi, I agree with you that Risk Management will cover FMEA analysis, which makes it blind toward risks that couldn't be spotted as part of Failure modes (or possible prompted failure modes). If a risk is not among the failure modes, that will bounce back as unidentified risk later on the execution.
FMEA is a structured approach tailored towards products, processes, and services through analysis of the system of interest so it is one type of risk analysis. It is really intended around systems which may be well defined and of a mechanistic nature.
Project management is comprised of many systems, or even a System of System where are system elements are not centrally controlled. That makes it an open system interacting with the larger environment than the products and processes. The project team is influenced by external systems like society and economics which are very difficult to characterize. As a classic example, entropy always increases in closed systems per the 2nd law of thermodynamics, but not in open systems where organisms grow and societies organize.
While FMEA is great for analyzing your process flows and the product architecture delivered by the project, other approaches should be used to evaluate risks relative to the larger business environment like customer and employee satisfaction.
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1 reply by Iheb Barhoumi
Sep 12, 2023 10:37 AM
Iheb Barhoumi
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Thank you Keith, as far as it gets FMEA will only take into consideration Failure Modes, no opportunities would be spotted along the cursus. That's why, I prefer using Risk Management process to cover as much risks as we can.
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Iheb BarhoumiEngineering manager - Program Manager - Bio pharma| Bio - Pharmaceutical CompanyTunis, Tunisia
Sep 12, 2023 10:02 AM
Replying to Keith Novak
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FMEA is a structured approach tailored towards products, processes, and services through analysis of the system of interest so it is one type of risk analysis. It is really intended around systems which may be well defined and of a mechanistic nature.
Project management is comprised of many systems, or even a System of System where are system elements are not centrally controlled. That makes it an open system interacting with the larger environment than the products and processes. The project team is influenced by external systems like society and economics which are very difficult to characterize. As a classic example, entropy always increases in closed systems per the 2nd law of thermodynamics, but not in open systems where organisms grow and societies organize.
While FMEA is great for analyzing your process flows and the product architecture delivered by the project, other approaches should be used to evaluate risks relative to the larger business environment like customer and employee satisfaction.
Thank you Keith, as far as it gets FMEA will only take into consideration Failure Modes, no opportunities would be spotted along the cursus. That's why, I prefer using Risk Management process to cover as much risks as we can.
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1 reply by Keith Novak
Sep 12, 2023 1:04 PM
Keith Novak
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Risk management can still include FMEA and other structured ways of identifying risks like SIPOCs to depict processes and those methods are often required on complex, safety critical, and/or highly regulated products. I fully agree though that they are not enough on their own.
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Iheb BarhoumiEngineering manager - Program Manager - Bio pharma| Bio - Pharmaceutical CompanyTunis, Tunisia
Sep 12, 2023 9:43 AM
Replying to Abolfazl Yousefi Darestani
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It depends on the nature of project and the depth of your FMEA. Generally speaking, Risk Management is more than FMEA. However, you can do a FMEA which covers all risks associated with a project. Size, complexity and final/main deliverables of the project play a key role.
Thanks Abolfazi, I agree with you that Risk Management will cover FMEA analysis, which makes it blind toward risks that couldn't be spotted as part of Failure modes (or possible prompted failure modes). If a risk is not among the failure modes, that will bounce back as unidentified risk later on the execution. Saving Changes...
Thank you Keith, as far as it gets FMEA will only take into consideration Failure Modes, no opportunities would be spotted along the cursus. That's why, I prefer using Risk Management process to cover as much risks as we can.
Risk management can still include FMEA and other structured ways of identifying risks like SIPOCs to depict processes and those methods are often required on complex, safety critical, and/or highly regulated products. I fully agree though that they are not enough on their own. Saving Changes...
I do like the inclusion of FMEA within the risk management approach for certain projects as it does provide greater depth in prioritizing risks by including the Detection dimension which is not usually incorporated into the typical probability x impact approach of qualitative risk analysis.
Kiron
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1 reply by Iheb Barhoumi
Sep 14, 2023 9:31 AM
Iheb Barhoumi
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Thank you Kiron, for your feedback, we use it basically in Process and Product Failure Mode Analysis. Which does not cover all aspects of Risk Management / Assessment.
Hence the question FMEA vs RISK MANAGEMENT.
I agree with you, including FMEA under Risk Management is beneficial, but not sufficient as @Rami answered later on the subject
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Iheb
I do agree with my fellow colleagues, and while FMEA adds value, yet, it is not enough to be used on its own especially when you want to identify opportunities and run quantitative analysis so I highly recommend using full risk analyss including FMEA.
RK
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1 reply by Iheb Barhoumi
Sep 14, 2023 9:32 AM
Iheb Barhoumi
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Thanks Rami for your feedback, I totally agree with you.
It is a complementary tool that stays always under the Scope of Risk Management. Nevertheless, can be used as a quick list, categorization tool, and prioritization tool to ease up the rest of the Qualitative Analysis.
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Iheb BarhoumiEngineering manager - Program Manager - Bio pharma| Bio - Pharmaceutical CompanyTunis, Tunisia
Sep 12, 2023 4:58 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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I do like the inclusion of FMEA within the risk management approach for certain projects as it does provide greater depth in prioritizing risks by including the Detection dimension which is not usually incorporated into the typical probability x impact approach of qualitative risk analysis.
Kiron
Thank you Kiron, for your feedback, we use it basically in Process and Product Failure Mode Analysis. Which does not cover all aspects of Risk Management / Assessment.
Hence the question FMEA vs RISK MANAGEMENT.
I agree with you, including FMEA under Risk Management is beneficial, but not sufficient as @Rami answered later on the subject Saving Changes...
Iheb BarhoumiEngineering manager - Program Manager - Bio pharma| Bio - Pharmaceutical CompanyTunis, Tunisia
Sep 12, 2023 5:40 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Iheb
I do agree with my fellow colleagues, and while FMEA adds value, yet, it is not enough to be used on its own especially when you want to identify opportunities and run quantitative analysis so I highly recommend using full risk analyss including FMEA.
RK
Thanks Rami for your feedback, I totally agree with you.
It is a complementary tool that stays always under the Scope of Risk Management. Nevertheless, can be used as a quick list, categorization tool, and prioritization tool to ease up the rest of the Qualitative Analysis.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Sep 14, 2023 12:06 PM
Rami Kaibni
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That is correct, Iheb. You can use the FMEA for this purpose as well and complementary to SWOT Analysis.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Sep 14, 2023 9:32 AM
Replying to Iheb Barhoumi
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Thanks Rami for your feedback, I totally agree with you.
It is a complementary tool that stays always under the Scope of Risk Management. Nevertheless, can be used as a quick list, categorization tool, and prioritization tool to ease up the rest of the Qualitative Analysis.
That is correct, Iheb. You can use the FMEA for this purpose as well and complementary to SWOT Analysis. Saving Changes...
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