Hello all, Artificial Intelligence is becoming mainstream in all walks of life. All generations of people are hooked to it to get an AI-enabled quick response. I have nothing against the technology but see "similar structured" content in the responses now. Those who are familiar with the AI-applications can quickly find out that the response is not a "creative" one but is a "massaged" one with a few changes here and there. That leaves me uncertain about the research depth and the credibility of the content. The intent seems to be more to "send" a response than "what value will this response add?".
Have you experienced such scenarios? How do we navigate such scenarios? Saving Changes...
I will break my own rule about abstaining from commenting on AI-related posts as I feel this is an important discussion to engage in.
If there is a human being providing value at the beginning and end of the creative process with AI providing support in the middle as an editor, reference or other assistant, then that is fine. However, when AI is taking over the beginning or the end, that is at best lazy and at worst unethical.
In the absence of embedded AI checkers which can identify blatant misuse, we can always beg for forgiveness and ask the poster, "Was this AI generated?".
Kiron
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1 reply by Dr. Deepa Bhide
Jun 23, 2024 1:27 AM
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Kiron, I so agree with you. The forums and platforms in which I see such blatantly copied responses from some AI engine is crazily increasing. Folks dont even copy edit or even check if the response is relevant or no. Its just putting something there vs "a value added information".
This is a bane of AI and worst, it is going to increase.
When I see several short paragraphs of the same short length, all spaced by 2 carriage returns, I assume it was generated by AI. If the "author" didn't bother to even change the formatting to look less blatantly cut and paste AI let alone summarize it or provide personal insights, then TLDNR (too long did not read). I too can type questions into a LLM and mine will be more relevant to my personal interests.
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1 reply by Dr. Deepa Bhide
Jun 23, 2024 1:32 AM
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Keith, you are so correct. I myself get disengaged when I suspect and am almost certain it's an AI-generated response. I get disengaged and don't read it.
I now see students doing the same with their assignments. What society are we building where there is ease of information furnishing but of a little value!
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Eric SimmsSenior Program ManagerBaltimore, Maryland, United States
Hi Deepa,
Some people certainly do use AI to generate responses to make themselves appear more knowledgeable than they really are, and they are little concerned with the accuracy of the information they provide. They tend to submit AI-generated content on public forums since they risk few negative repercussions if the information proves inaccurate, and because they know few people will make the effort to independently verify the information.
I constantly encounter AI-generated dreck on sites and forums. So many people do it that it’s not even worth calling people out on it.
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1 reply by Dr. Deepa Bhide
Jun 23, 2024 1:29 AM
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Eric, exactly my thought. If I ask a question or seek a content from someone, i am almost sure that 1. it will come and 2. it will be generated by ChatGPT. Then why dont I ask Chatgpt instead of asking these folks and getting "some" responses from them?
In healthcare, where research is paramount and creativity and value addition is critical, how does one believe the research? I am sure notable journals such as Lancet, JAMA must have some method to curtail this madness.
I will break my own rule about abstaining from commenting on AI-related posts as I feel this is an important discussion to engage in.
If there is a human being providing value at the beginning and end of the creative process with AI providing support in the middle as an editor, reference or other assistant, then that is fine. However, when AI is taking over the beginning or the end, that is at best lazy and at worst unethical.
In the absence of embedded AI checkers which can identify blatant misuse, we can always beg for forgiveness and ask the poster, "Was this AI generated?".
Kiron
Kiron
Kiron, I so agree with you. The forums and platforms in which I see such blatantly copied responses from some AI engine is crazily increasing. Folks dont even copy edit or even check if the response is relevant or no. Its just putting something there vs "a value added information".
This is a bane of AI and worst, it is going to increase.
How will the checkers arrest this? Saving Changes...
Some people certainly do use AI to generate responses to make themselves appear more knowledgeable than they really are, and they are little concerned with the accuracy of the information they provide. They tend to submit AI-generated content on public forums since they risk few negative repercussions if the information proves inaccurate, and because they know few people will make the effort to independently verify the information.
I constantly encounter AI-generated dreck on sites and forums. So many people do it that it’s not even worth calling people out on it.
Eric, exactly my thought. If I ask a question or seek a content from someone, i am almost sure that 1. it will come and 2. it will be generated by ChatGPT. Then why dont I ask Chatgpt instead of asking these folks and getting "some" responses from them?
In healthcare, where research is paramount and creativity and value addition is critical, how does one believe the research? I am sure notable journals such as Lancet, JAMA must have some method to curtail this madness.
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1 reply by Eric Simms
Jun 23, 2024 4:32 AM
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I found the following two JAMA guidances concerning AI use; they basically say submitters and peer reviewers should be upfront on their use of AI when creating content or reviewing work. I feel these guidances are practically worthless, as I doubt someone who would use AI as a shortcut for actual research would have any qualms lying about it. The guidance for reviewers includes the following: “Please remember that you are ultimately responsible for all of the content of this review.”. However, this has little weight unless there are defined legal penalties for publishing improperly reviewed research.
In the past we could reasonably rely on peer review to verify the accuracy of research, but if reviewers can also use AI that’s no longer the case. I think the best way to ensure journals like JAMA remain credible is for the medical community to demand they do so, stressing the importance of the journals in edifying medical personnel around the globe, and the negative impacts that would inevitably result from the dissemination of incorrect information, including loss of human lives.
When I see several short paragraphs of the same short length, all spaced by 2 carriage returns, I assume it was generated by AI. If the "author" didn't bother to even change the formatting to look less blatantly cut and paste AI let alone summarize it or provide personal insights, then TLDNR (too long did not read). I too can type questions into a LLM and mine will be more relevant to my personal interests.
Keith, you are so correct. I myself get disengaged when I suspect and am almost certain it's an AI-generated response. I get disengaged and don't read it.
I now see students doing the same with their assignments. What society are we building where there is ease of information furnishing but of a little value!
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1 reply by Keith Novak
Jun 23, 2024 1:58 PM
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I think it's an absolute tragedy for students to use AI to generate their assignments. Thinking your way through the problem is how you generate those neural pathways where we develop our own mental models that provide deeper understandings of how things really work.
My professional writing process usually starts with many pages of notes that I then spend hours organizing, condensing, and explaining out-loud so I can build more mental pathways and hear how it "flows". I would love to use AI to organize my notes and fix long awkward sentences, but the underlying thoughts, and the progression of how I bring you from point A to B are still my own.
In the business world, when trying to solve problems one of our biggest obstacles is often that we have very little data to guide us. If you try to draw inferences from a very small dataset, you wind up with outputs that are very biased based on the small sample. I see that with PMI's Project Infinity where answers to my questions cite only 1 or 2 articles, and if it's one then the answer goes off track trying to build a longer answer with little relevant information.. To dig deeper, it becomes a matter of deciding what variables need to be investigated in greater depth to provide the more complete picture of cause and effect. To do that requires being grounded in the underlying principles.
AI can help people quickly gather and organize information on the current state of the art. If you want to expand the current body of knowledge however, that requires original insights. You can't get there purely focused on the rear-view mirror.
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Eric SimmsSenior Program ManagerBaltimore, Maryland, United States
Jun 23, 2024 1:29 AM
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Eric, exactly my thought. If I ask a question or seek a content from someone, i am almost sure that 1. it will come and 2. it will be generated by ChatGPT. Then why dont I ask Chatgpt instead of asking these folks and getting "some" responses from them?
In healthcare, where research is paramount and creativity and value addition is critical, how does one believe the research? I am sure notable journals such as Lancet, JAMA must have some method to curtail this madness.
I found the following two JAMA guidances concerning AI use; they basically say submitters and peer reviewers should be upfront on their use of AI when creating content or reviewing work. I feel these guidances are practically worthless, as I doubt someone who would use AI as a shortcut for actual research would have any qualms lying about it. The guidance for reviewers includes the following: “Please remember that you are ultimately responsible for all of the content of this review.”. However, this has little weight unless there are defined legal penalties for publishing improperly reviewed research.
In the past we could reasonably rely on peer review to verify the accuracy of research, but if reviewers can also use AI that’s no longer the case. I think the best way to ensure journals like JAMA remain credible is for the medical community to demand they do so, stressing the importance of the journals in edifying medical personnel around the globe, and the negative impacts that would inevitably result from the dissemination of incorrect information, including loss of human lives.
Eric, I agree with you. Both makers and checkers should be considered when the credibility of the content is at stake. I agree with the three recommendations you have given. One's conscience should play out to support the "right" information and not just "some" information.
I don't see any mandates that could be practical. Ethics lie in our own behaviour, not in papers or documents.
This discussion is getting interesting!
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
The question is: when you use whatsapp, which is the degree of certainty about who/what is on the other side?. Returning to your point, AI is a board term. We are using AI from more than 40 years ago in things like refrigerators and air conditioners. Do you have doubts about the degree of certainty in their response to different temperature conditions?. Today AI explode because the use of the new model of generative AI that helped to create things like CharGPT. And here comes a key point: when an organizations create an initiative to implement generative AI then it has to take into account that a totally new world emerges with something that is usually calling Responsible AI. It is composed for new roles to be included in the initiave team (lawers, linguistic, diversity and inclusion specialiest, etc) to new ways of validation like certainty and consistency validation on prompt results. "Attention is all you need"...hehe. By the way, I firmly believe that from long time ago people is fall into the trap to be "comfortable asleep" by living in "The Matrix". Saving Changes...
Keith, you are so correct. I myself get disengaged when I suspect and am almost certain it's an AI-generated response. I get disengaged and don't read it.
I now see students doing the same with their assignments. What society are we building where there is ease of information furnishing but of a little value!
I think it's an absolute tragedy for students to use AI to generate their assignments. Thinking your way through the problem is how you generate those neural pathways where we develop our own mental models that provide deeper understandings of how things really work.
My professional writing process usually starts with many pages of notes that I then spend hours organizing, condensing, and explaining out-loud so I can build more mental pathways and hear how it "flows". I would love to use AI to organize my notes and fix long awkward sentences, but the underlying thoughts, and the progression of how I bring you from point A to B are still my own.
In the business world, when trying to solve problems one of our biggest obstacles is often that we have very little data to guide us. If you try to draw inferences from a very small dataset, you wind up with outputs that are very biased based on the small sample. I see that with PMI's Project Infinity where answers to my questions cite only 1 or 2 articles, and if it's one then the answer goes off track trying to build a longer answer with little relevant information.. To dig deeper, it becomes a matter of deciding what variables need to be investigated in greater depth to provide the more complete picture of cause and effect. To do that requires being grounded in the underlying principles.
AI can help people quickly gather and organize information on the current state of the art. If you want to expand the current body of knowledge however, that requires original insights. You can't get there purely focused on the rear-view mirror.
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1 reply by Dr. Deepa Bhide
Jun 29, 2024 12:10 AM
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Keith, I agree with you. What I fail to see is the need to quickly gather the information. I agree with you about the lack of sufficient data to provide credible information.
However, we may need to look at more sources to get that information, and perhaps this specific resource is not the right person to gather those insights. Maybe he/she needs help vs finding some superficial information and sending it out. I think getting to the original insights trumps any day. Would you agree?
I believe AI as a tool can help people deliver better results. For instance if someone has a well-thought-out argument and uses ChatGPT to research to flesh out the argument, that could result in an argument that delivers better value
Sadly, there seem to be more people (especially on YouTube) boasting about how they can completely "outsource" their thinking to ChatGPT and other LLMs.
In my experience, blatant ChatGPT-generated responses are usually obvious with their hard-to-read blocks of text.
So I don't even bother wasting more time reading them
Thanks again
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1 reply by Dr. Deepa Bhide
Jun 29, 2024 12:05 AM
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I so agree with you, and most do, I guess.
But then, I wonder if our content decaying over a period of time, and who is responsible? what legacy are we giving our generations from a credible information? Would love to know your thoughts.