Simona DimitrovaHead of Customer Education| PennylaneParis, France
Hey fellow PMs!
Who is using Notion as their main PM tool? I have been using it for the past 5 years as main working tool (comm/planning/documentation/collabboration) but haven't heard of a huge uptake from the PM community. Would love to share some best practices and ideas with others who have pushed the limits of both PM and Notion to make those two work together!
For the context, I have been in startups for the past 5 years and introduced some more serious project management by adapting what we preach in ultra-flexible and informal cultures. Now I am curious to know what other companies are doing! :)
Could you share the benefits and advantages of using Notion while we wait for others to reply? I would love to know why you enjoy using Notion as well. Thank you!
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1 reply by Simona Dimitrova
Oct 11, 2024 5:34 AM
Simona Dimitrova
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@Danny, absolutely, here are some points that come to mind:
1. Everyone has access - I didn't choose Notion for PM but Notion was already the collaboration platform for the company which means less change management and convincing teams to jump on a tool. Interestingly, a team decided to use another tool for PM to share with clients and the adoption didn't really take up (additional cost for no benefit)
2. One tool for everything - since it's not specialized for PM, every team uses it for different purpose. Our team uses it for content management, managers use it for people dev, performance etc. No need to jump from one place to another, and forget which tool does what. Having said that, we still get newcomers who say there are so many tools (Notion, Slack, Gmail, Intercom, SF, etc - the startup stack if you ask me)
3. Flexible to adapt to your way of working - PMI standards are a great base that needs a lot of adaptation in fast-growth companies. I started very small and introduced more pro concepts along the way, otherwise people were getting too overwhelmed. There is a critical moment of coaching (especially juniors) that proactivity, planning, and reporting are actually beneficial in the long-term so both the system and myself are flexible to the size of the project, maturity of the company, and experience of the PMs.
4. Constant updates of the software - no bug stays around and there are always new developments, so I love that there are improvements that make sense.
5. Linked to 3 - Navigation your way - in the other tools I had tried, there is a strict navigation and a lot of clicks until you reach the essential content. So you have to use the software the way it was built and apply it. I hate useless clicks (comes with limited patience bucket 😇)
At the same time, it's quite of a learning curve to be able to use it in a powerful manner so I do include Notion training basics/advanced to my newcomers in parallel to "what a project is" :) Not everyone is comfortable with the possibility to flex things around either - and they don't have to be. So we have a system that works, we improve it every 3-6 months and we try to avoid making changes that would disturb the current operations.
We don't need advanced elements like burndown charts or resources allocation which Notion doesn't really offer in an automated way and some other tools are great for this kind of needs. But since our projects are relatively simple / medium - the longest project in the last 2 years was 6 months (Customer Certification), the need is to be more collaborative, transparent, and efficient => works great in the organized startup environment.
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Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Simona,
Why not put your experience in a slide deck and maybe a webinar and present it to Chapters around the world?
You volunteer, grow your network and improve presentation skills.
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1 reply by Simona Dimitrova
Oct 11, 2024 5:35 AM
Simona Dimitrova
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Hey Thomas! That's an interesting idea and could connect me with people who are also going through the same experience!
I must admit I have no idea how it works to volunteer for speaking opportunities, is it something you are aware of?
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Simona DimitrovaHead of Customer Education| PennylaneParis, France
Oct 10, 2024 11:58 PM
Replying to Danny PMP, PgMP
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Could you share the benefits and advantages of using Notion while we wait for others to reply? I would love to know why you enjoy using Notion as well. Thank you!
@Danny, absolutely, here are some points that come to mind:
1. Everyone has access - I didn't choose Notion for PM but Notion was already the collaboration platform for the company which means less change management and convincing teams to jump on a tool. Interestingly, a team decided to use another tool for PM to share with clients and the adoption didn't really take up (additional cost for no benefit)
2. One tool for everything - since it's not specialized for PM, every team uses it for different purpose. Our team uses it for content management, managers use it for people dev, performance etc. No need to jump from one place to another, and forget which tool does what. Having said that, we still get newcomers who say there are so many tools (Notion, Slack, Gmail, Intercom, SF, etc - the startup stack if you ask me)
3. Flexible to adapt to your way of working - PMI standards are a great base that needs a lot of adaptation in fast-growth companies. I started very small and introduced more pro concepts along the way, otherwise people were getting too overwhelmed. There is a critical moment of coaching (especially juniors) that proactivity, planning, and reporting are actually beneficial in the long-term so both the system and myself are flexible to the size of the project, maturity of the company, and experience of the PMs.
4. Constant updates of the software - no bug stays around and there are always new developments, so I love that there are improvements that make sense.
5. Linked to 3 - Navigation your way - in the other tools I had tried, there is a strict navigation and a lot of clicks until you reach the essential content. So you have to use the software the way it was built and apply it. I hate useless clicks (comes with limited patience bucket 😇)
At the same time, it's quite of a learning curve to be able to use it in a powerful manner so I do include Notion training basics/advanced to my newcomers in parallel to "what a project is" :) Not everyone is comfortable with the possibility to flex things around either - and they don't have to be. So we have a system that works, we improve it every 3-6 months and we try to avoid making changes that would disturb the current operations.
We don't need advanced elements like burndown charts or resources allocation which Notion doesn't really offer in an automated way and some other tools are great for this kind of needs. But since our projects are relatively simple / medium - the longest project in the last 2 years was 6 months (Customer Certification), the need is to be more collaborative, transparent, and efficient => works great in the organized startup environment.
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1 reply by Danny PMP, PgMP
Oct 11, 2024 10:52 PM
Danny PMP, PgMP
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Thanks for sharing. It seems like something worth exploring. I appreciate it.
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Simona DimitrovaHead of Customer Education| PennylaneParis, France
Oct 11, 2024 3:44 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Simona,
Why not put your experience in a slide deck and maybe a webinar and present it to Chapters around the world?
You volunteer, grow your network and improve presentation skills.
Hey Thomas! That's an interesting idea and could connect me with people who are also going through the same experience!
I must admit I have no idea how it works to volunteer for speaking opportunities, is it something you are aware of? Saving Changes...
@Danny, absolutely, here are some points that come to mind:
1. Everyone has access - I didn't choose Notion for PM but Notion was already the collaboration platform for the company which means less change management and convincing teams to jump on a tool. Interestingly, a team decided to use another tool for PM to share with clients and the adoption didn't really take up (additional cost for no benefit)
2. One tool for everything - since it's not specialized for PM, every team uses it for different purpose. Our team uses it for content management, managers use it for people dev, performance etc. No need to jump from one place to another, and forget which tool does what. Having said that, we still get newcomers who say there are so many tools (Notion, Slack, Gmail, Intercom, SF, etc - the startup stack if you ask me)
3. Flexible to adapt to your way of working - PMI standards are a great base that needs a lot of adaptation in fast-growth companies. I started very small and introduced more pro concepts along the way, otherwise people were getting too overwhelmed. There is a critical moment of coaching (especially juniors) that proactivity, planning, and reporting are actually beneficial in the long-term so both the system and myself are flexible to the size of the project, maturity of the company, and experience of the PMs.
4. Constant updates of the software - no bug stays around and there are always new developments, so I love that there are improvements that make sense.
5. Linked to 3 - Navigation your way - in the other tools I had tried, there is a strict navigation and a lot of clicks until you reach the essential content. So you have to use the software the way it was built and apply it. I hate useless clicks (comes with limited patience bucket 😇)
At the same time, it's quite of a learning curve to be able to use it in a powerful manner so I do include Notion training basics/advanced to my newcomers in parallel to "what a project is" :) Not everyone is comfortable with the possibility to flex things around either - and they don't have to be. So we have a system that works, we improve it every 3-6 months and we try to avoid making changes that would disturb the current operations.
We don't need advanced elements like burndown charts or resources allocation which Notion doesn't really offer in an automated way and some other tools are great for this kind of needs. But since our projects are relatively simple / medium - the longest project in the last 2 years was 6 months (Customer Certification), the need is to be more collaborative, transparent, and efficient => works great in the organized startup environment.
Thanks for sharing. It seems like something worth exploring. I appreciate it. Saving Changes...