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How do new Engineers Learn Project Management?

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James Deiner Project Manager| Janssen R&D Pipersville, Pa, United States
New engineers, or probably junior employees in any discipline.

In your experience, do people start out as an individual contributor and then move into project management?

What has been the best approaches in your experience for people to develop PM skills and experience:
- On the job - aka sink or swim
- Formal training, and esp. academic training
-  Mentorships
- individual learning: e.g. books, videos, PMI webinars, content here

I am an instructor at a local university and we are reviewing our project management program to see how to make it more effective.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
James, on the job gaining first-hand experience is the best. I come from a structural engineering background and then slowly moved into project management bad been in that domain for the past 20 years now.
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1 reply by James Deiner
Mar 26, 2025 3:25 PM
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Thanks Rami for your quick reply!
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James Deiner Project Manager| Janssen R&D Pipersville, Pa, United States
Mar 26, 2025 3:03 PM
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James, on the job gaining first-hand experience is the best. I come from a structural engineering background and then slowly moved into project management bad been in that domain for the past 20 years now.
Thanks Rami for your quick reply!
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
James -

Most folks start out as individual contributors on a team and then jump or are pushed into leading a project. Developing PM competency is a good use case for the 10/20/70 model of development - 10% formal, 20% relationship-based (e.g. mentoring) and 70% on the job experience.

Kiron
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1 reply by James Deiner
Mar 26, 2025 4:17 PM
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Thanks Kiron.

I figure that your percent breakdown is probably accurate. So, question would be: do we think that a higher % formal training would reduce the % on the job (or mistakes on the job?)
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James Deiner Project Manager| Janssen R&D Pipersville, Pa, United States
Mar 26, 2025 3:42 PM
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James -

Most folks start out as individual contributors on a team and then jump or are pushed into leading a project. Developing PM competency is a good use case for the 10/20/70 model of development - 10% formal, 20% relationship-based (e.g. mentoring) and 70% on the job experience.

Kiron
Thanks Kiron.

I figure that your percent breakdown is probably accurate. So, question would be: do we think that a higher % formal training would reduce the % on the job (or mistakes on the job?)
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Mar 27, 2025 7:20 AM
Kiron Bondale
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James -

unlikely, otherwise you'd see folks who get PMP certified delivering projects better than those who don't. My experience has been a basic foundational level of PM theory is sufficient - its understanding HOW to apply it appropriately where folks struggle. And that only comes through the latter two development methods - mentoring, coaching & experience.

Kiron
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Mar 26, 2025 4:17 PM
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Thanks Kiron.

I figure that your percent breakdown is probably accurate. So, question would be: do we think that a higher % formal training would reduce the % on the job (or mistakes on the job?)
James -

unlikely, otherwise you'd see folks who get PMP certified delivering projects better than those who don't. My experience has been a basic foundational level of PM theory is sufficient - its understanding HOW to apply it appropriately where folks struggle. And that only comes through the latter two development methods - mentoring, coaching & experience.

Kiron
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Kwiyuh Michael Wepngong
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Financial Management Specialist | US Peace Corps Yaounde, Centre, Cameroon
Earning the certification and hands on training is a good mix
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Md. Golam Rob Talukdar
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Project Manager| AWR Development (BD) Ltd. Cox's Bazer , Bangladesh
New engineers often start as individual contributors before transitioning into project management roles, and there are several effective approaches to help them develop PM skills. On-the-job experience can be invaluable, as it allows them to learn through real-world challenges, but pairing this with formal training can provide a solid foundation in project management principles.

Mentorship is also crucial; having experienced PMs guide junior engineers can accelerate their learning and provide insights that formal training might not cover. Additionally, encouraging individual learning through books, webinars, and online resources can help them build their knowledge at their own pace.

As you review your program, consider integrating these diverse learning methods to create a well-rounded experience for your students!

Golam
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1 reply by James Deiner
Mar 27, 2025 10:00 AM
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Thanks Golam; some good insights.
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James Deiner Project Manager| Janssen R&D Pipersville, Pa, United States
Mar 27, 2025 9:53 AM
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New engineers often start as individual contributors before transitioning into project management roles, and there are several effective approaches to help them develop PM skills. On-the-job experience can be invaluable, as it allows them to learn through real-world challenges, but pairing this with formal training can provide a solid foundation in project management principles.

Mentorship is also crucial; having experienced PMs guide junior engineers can accelerate their learning and provide insights that formal training might not cover. Additionally, encouraging individual learning through books, webinars, and online resources can help them build their knowledge at their own pace.

As you review your program, consider integrating these diverse learning methods to create a well-rounded experience for your students!

Golam
Thanks Golam; some good insights.
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Keith Novak Tukwila, Wa, United States
It starts for me with mentorship. I explain that sink or swim is part of the job description and mistakes are expected, but we're not going to let them get in too deep before we help out.

One of the first OTJ training experiences is actually to make them go talk to people. Engineers are often introverts, so their communication skills are often lacking. They need to get over talking to the grumpy old engineers who don't think that they should answer to project managers. Chances are the more senior people will cut them some slack for being new. I'll send them off to go dig up some information that I could get with one call but they'll probably talk to 4 people before they need help or complete the mission.

Formal training tends to be somewhat ineffective at first because they have little context for much of it. If you study a subject long before you ever apply it, the learning retention tends to be low. Most companies probably don't do it exactly by the book either so instead I involve them in pieces of the overall project so they can get more depth in certain areas at which formal theory will probably make more sense.

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