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Does PMWar portal has a wrong question and incorrect answer on "ControlLimits"?

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Arvind Tripathi Director of PM/PMO| Flowserve Irving, Tx, United States
Please look at this question posted on "PMWar" section of PM.com (I have surmised it in simpler language to avoid the controversy on the question itself):

Q: Who decides "Control Limits" of a process?:

a- Project Manager
b- The stakeholders
c- Both of these
d- None of these

The posted answer says "c" Both of these. My take is based on years of learning and experience in Statistics, is that the correct answer is "d". The reason is that "Control Limits" (meaning Statistical Process Control Limits" are based on the "past performance of the process" only and NONE of the answers a,b, or c. Please share your thoughts on this topic. Thank you!

- Arvind, PMP & a veteran statistician :-)
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Arvind Tripathi Director of PM/PMO| Flowserve Irving, Tx, United States
Dec 15, 2015 7:16 AM
Replying to fosco frongia
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hello Arvind,
first of all consider I'm Italian speaking so, probably, my English translation couldn't be the correct one.the first concept we have to consider is that specific limits (defined by the tolerance) have not statistical or mathematical relation with control limits. these last ones can be defined in different ways (for instance, we have control chart where the control limits are defined on the basis of 3 sigma or, in other cases, on the basis of the probability -I don't know if this is the correct translation - this last system is more used in Europe).
In other word we can define the control limits in accordance with:
a) our needs
b) the characteristics of the process we are analyzing
This is the reason because i affirm that the control limits SHOULD be defined by experts (has the PM or "normal" stakeholder the knowledge for doing it?).
Literature: I cannot suggest to you any literature in English because the documents I learnt are in Italian.
The second sentence was not deducted by the question but it was only an example.
many thanks for your suggestion
Fosco,

Thank you for your response and actually your English is quite good. Your answer based on the definition of Control Limits from +/- 3 Sigma is absolutely correct and consistent with PMBOK and other literature on Six Sigma and Quality. I agree with it.

However, you explanations under (a) and (b) are just interpretations based on an individual or their understanding of the English language. It has no basis in PMBOK as it does not say anywhere (th the best of my knowledge) that Stakeholders decide Control Limits.
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Arvind Tripathi Director of PM/PMO| Flowserve Irving, Tx, United States
Dec 15, 2015 4:29 AM
Replying to Markus Kopko
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Hello Arvind,

thx for your response. Like i said, i am no expert in statisticly theorys and/or processes ... for me, while i am laerning for PMP and also in daily practice it was totally clear and plausibel, that the control charts and its values where defined by the experts and than adjust along the process baes on the upcoming results.
If you that convinced, that PMBoK Guide and PMI is wrong here, well than you may should contact the team what is actually working on the PMBoK Guide 6th edition and make a suggestion for correction.

Regards,

Markus
Good idea Markus!
I would like to take up your suggestion and reach out but I do not see an issue anywhere in PMBOK, just in the PMWar question and it's correct answer. The PMBOK explanation on this is clear and correct. Do you know how I reach out to PMWar question producers? Thanks for your active participation in this dialogue.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 13, 2015 2:39 PM
Replying to Arvind Tripathi
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Hello Rami,

Thanks for ur response. I agree with everything that you wrote in your explanation but that still does NOT make C as the correct answer. Pl see my explanation above.

Thanks.

Arvind
Hi Arvind,

Yes, I saw your rational but from my point of view, I still believe C is the correct answer due to the rational I gave. Sometimes there is no definite correct answer and the answer is just different from one to another based on the experience and point of views.

Regards,
RK
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Arvind Tripathi Director of PM/PMO| Flowserve Irving, Tx, United States
Dec 12, 2015 8:19 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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PMI ,as far as I am aware, defines a Stakeholder as anyone involved in the project directly or indirectly even the public so team members are included under stakeholders as well as the project manager because at some point he can be on a part-time basis in a matrix or functional organization so I believe the correct Answer is "C".
aRami,

Thank you for your prompt response. Please provide a reference from PMBOK for the rational for your choice on the answer. A simple cut and paste will be great.

As you know, many of PMBOK approaches/ definitions are not always consistent with our common understanding of the terms but let us still keep our conversation within what PMBOK says on this.

Thank you!

Arvind
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Manouchehr Madani Civi Senior Healthcare Project Manager Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thanks everyone for sharing.
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