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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
In a previous discussion I put a question about ethics and legality in the practice of project management.
among other interesting statements it was discussed about the relationship between ethic and legality.
what do you think about it?
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 30, 2015 1:47 PM
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Isn;t that the truth. If the financial crisis of 2008 shows, what wasn't illegal was surely unethical. Easier to make money unethically in certain times but not over the long term.
... poor risk management as cited in other discussion?
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Dec 30, 2015 10:08 PM
Steven Zachary
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I'm not sure I follow. No I have not brought up the risk implications from the financial crisis in another thread? I think Michael Lewis has done that leaps and bounds better then I ever could.
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 30, 2015 5:07 PM
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Thanks Steven,
may you post the link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpf6KcWYyw

Here you are!
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1 reply by fosco frongia
Dec 30, 2015 9:10 PM
fosco frongia
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many thanks Steven,
if you are interested I posted a question about the relationship between Ethics, culture and education
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 30, 2015 8:57 PM
Replying to Steven Zachary
many thanks Steven,
if you are interested I posted a question about the relationship between Ethics, culture and education
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Dec 30, 2015 10:08 PM
Steven Zachary
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I am very interested.

Ethics is such a fascinating topic because it deals in shades of grey unlike math which deals (for the most part) in black and white.
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 30, 2015 5:18 PM
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Hi Steven,
if I have understood well, you consider that Ethics depends from elements like education and culture, is it correct?
When you talk about common sense do you think this is related with culture or it is anything universal (so laws are not required because this is in our "behavioral DNA"?
"you consider that Ethics depends from elements like education and culture, is it correct?"

I think ethics is influenced by external factors. The key word is "think"....unfortunately I don't have a team of scientists to validate this. But Dan Ariely does and he seems to agree.

When you talk about common sense do you think this is related with culture or it is anything universal (so laws are not required because this is in our "behavioral DNA"?

I wouldn't go that far. I mentioned utopia in the same breath for a reason. I do think laws are there to enforce those that either cannot or will not abide by common sense, as I so ineloquently put it. Our behavioural DNA is linked to self-preservation, competition and a host of other factors. I don't know about you, but they don't seem to be conducive to a no law society.

What are your thoughts?
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1 reply by fosco frongia
Jan 01, 2016 7:54 PM
fosco frongia
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Agree, I think in the same manner, culture and education are some elements but not the only ones. Fortunately Ethics is philosophy matter so our view have a certain value and don't need of scientist validation:)
have you to recommend any link concerning Dan Ariely position in the matter?
I agree with the second part of your comment too.
I think common sense is an evolution of the experience of past generation and is a component of Ethics. other important component are the Principles we have
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 30, 2015 5:23 PM
Replying to fosco frongia
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... poor risk management as cited in other discussion?
I'm not sure I follow. No I have not brought up the risk implications from the financial crisis in another thread? I think Michael Lewis has done that leaps and bounds better then I ever could.
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 30, 2015 9:10 PM
Replying to fosco frongia
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many thanks Steven,
if you are interested I posted a question about the relationship between Ethics, culture and education
I am very interested.

Ethics is such a fascinating topic because it deals in shades of grey unlike math which deals (for the most part) in black and white.
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 30, 2015 10:06 PM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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"you consider that Ethics depends from elements like education and culture, is it correct?"

I think ethics is influenced by external factors. The key word is "think"....unfortunately I don't have a team of scientists to validate this. But Dan Ariely does and he seems to agree.

When you talk about common sense do you think this is related with culture or it is anything universal (so laws are not required because this is in our "behavioral DNA"?

I wouldn't go that far. I mentioned utopia in the same breath for a reason. I do think laws are there to enforce those that either cannot or will not abide by common sense, as I so ineloquently put it. Our behavioural DNA is linked to self-preservation, competition and a host of other factors. I don't know about you, but they don't seem to be conducive to a no law society.

What are your thoughts?
Agree, I think in the same manner, culture and education are some elements but not the only ones. Fortunately Ethics is philosophy matter so our view have a certain value and don't need of scientist validation:)
have you to recommend any link concerning Dan Ariely position in the matter?
I agree with the second part of your comment too.
I think common sense is an evolution of the experience of past generation and is a component of Ethics. other important component are the Principles we have
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