fosco frongiaSenior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUGFino Mornasco, Como, Italy
In a previous discussion I put a question about ethics and legality in the practice of project management.
among other interesting statements it was discussed about the relationship between ethic and legality.
what do you think about it? Saving Changes...
MAEN QADDOURAHProject Director| AJ SAUDIJeddah, Saudi Arabia
Agree Saving Changes...
fosco frongiaSenior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUGFino Mornasco, Como, Italy
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Steven ZacharyDirector| Alberta Health ServicesCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 25, 2015 12:27 PM
Replying to Pravin Kumar Shrivastava
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The key difference between legality and ethics if about the nature of practice. Legal - You have to do it. and Ethical is voluntarily. You have to sign a contract is legal but you would not help your "friend" in getting the contract is ethical.
Check out the trolly problem, it's my favourite distinction between "ethical" and "legal".
What we consider to be ethical is often contradictory.
Michael Sandell from Harvard teaches a great free open online course on EdX. I highly recommend you check it out.
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1 reply by fosco frongia
Dec 30, 2015 5:07 PM
fosco frongia
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Thanks Steven,
may you post the link?
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Steven ZacharyDirector| Alberta Health ServicesCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 28, 2015 4:56 AM
Replying to MAEN QADDOURAH
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Thanks.my point is that legality and ethics are controlled either by law or by internal ego.
Definitely Ego.
Ethics is also defined by the individual's surroundings. What may be ethical to me might seem absurd to you.
It is not illegal for me not to help the old lady who falls down in the middle of the street. How many of you feel an ethical obligation to. And how many will just stare and point?
The strongest example I can think of is ethics does not require laws necessarily, it's a "common sense" reaction. This is utopian but gets to the point.
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2 replies by Rami Kaibni and fosco frongia
Dec 30, 2015 1:37 PM
Rami Kaibni
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I agree with you: Ego is the controlling factor and Ethics are built-in. From my experience, 50% of success is hard work and the other 50% is Ethics because it always takes less time to do things right rather than explaining why it was done wrong !
Dec 30, 2015 5:18 PM
fosco frongia
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Hi Steven,
if I have understood well, you consider that Ethics depends from elements like education and culture, is it correct?
When you talk about common sense do you think this is related with culture or it is anything universal (so laws are not required because this is in our "behavioral DNA"?
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 30, 2015 12:56 PM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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Definitely Ego.
Ethics is also defined by the individual's surroundings. What may be ethical to me might seem absurd to you.
It is not illegal for me not to help the old lady who falls down in the middle of the street. How many of you feel an ethical obligation to. And how many will just stare and point?
The strongest example I can think of is ethics does not require laws necessarily, it's a "common sense" reaction. This is utopian but gets to the point.
I agree with you: Ego is the controlling factor and Ethics are built-in. From my experience, 50% of success is hard work and the other 50% is Ethics because it always takes less time to do things right rather than explaining why it was done wrong !
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2 replies by Steven Zachary and fosco frongia
Dec 30, 2015 1:47 PM
Steven Zachary
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Isn;t that the truth. If the financial crisis of 2008 shows, what wasn't illegal was surely unethical. Easier to make money unethically in certain times but not over the long term.
Dec 30, 2015 5:22 PM
fosco frongia
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I agree, the work based on hard work and Ethics is more effective because people spent the time in adding value activities instead in covering "intentional lacks"
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Steven ZacharyDirector| Alberta Health ServicesCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 30, 2015 1:37 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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I agree with you: Ego is the controlling factor and Ethics are built-in. From my experience, 50% of success is hard work and the other 50% is Ethics because it always takes less time to do things right rather than explaining why it was done wrong !
Isn;t that the truth. If the financial crisis of 2008 shows, what wasn't illegal was surely unethical. Easier to make money unethically in certain times but not over the long term.
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2 replies by Rami Kaibni and fosco frongia
Dec 30, 2015 1:49 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Very True !
Dec 30, 2015 5:23 PM
fosco frongia
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... poor risk management as cited in other discussion?
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 30, 2015 1:47 PM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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Isn;t that the truth. If the financial crisis of 2008 shows, what wasn't illegal was surely unethical. Easier to make money unethically in certain times but not over the long term.
Very True ! Saving Changes...
fosco frongiaSenior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUGFino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 30, 2015 12:55 PM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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Check out the trolly problem, it's my favourite distinction between "ethical" and "legal".
What we consider to be ethical is often contradictory.
Michael Sandell from Harvard teaches a great free open online course on EdX. I highly recommend you check it out.
fosco frongiaSenior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUGFino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 30, 2015 12:56 PM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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Definitely Ego.
Ethics is also defined by the individual's surroundings. What may be ethical to me might seem absurd to you.
It is not illegal for me not to help the old lady who falls down in the middle of the street. How many of you feel an ethical obligation to. And how many will just stare and point?
The strongest example I can think of is ethics does not require laws necessarily, it's a "common sense" reaction. This is utopian but gets to the point.
Hi Steven,
if I have understood well, you consider that Ethics depends from elements like education and culture, is it correct?
When you talk about common sense do you think this is related with culture or it is anything universal (so laws are not required because this is in our "behavioral DNA"?
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Dec 30, 2015 10:06 PM
Steven Zachary
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"you consider that Ethics depends from elements like education and culture, is it correct?"
I think ethics is influenced by external factors. The key word is "think"....unfortunately I don't have a team of scientists to validate this. But Dan Ariely does and he seems to agree.
When you talk about common sense do you think this is related with culture or it is anything universal (so laws are not required because this is in our "behavioral DNA"?
I wouldn't go that far. I mentioned utopia in the same breath for a reason. I do think laws are there to enforce those that either cannot or will not abide by common sense, as I so ineloquently put it. Our behavioural DNA is linked to self-preservation, competition and a host of other factors. I don't know about you, but they don't seem to be conducive to a no law society.
What are your thoughts?
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fosco frongiaSenior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUGFino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 30, 2015 1:37 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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I agree with you: Ego is the controlling factor and Ethics are built-in. From my experience, 50% of success is hard work and the other 50% is Ethics because it always takes less time to do things right rather than explaining why it was done wrong !
I agree, the work based on hard work and Ethics is more effective because people spent the time in adding value activities instead in covering "intentional lacks" Saving Changes...
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