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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
in other discussion was pointed out the relationship between bad ethics and poor risk management. In other therms it was considered that bad ethics could depend from a short time vision (not from an intentional bad behavior) which depends from a poor risk management.
what do you think about it?
do you think that a correct and complete knowledge of ethic code could influence this relationship?
thanks in advance for your comments
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 28, 2015 12:19 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Good risk management requires good ethics; and good ethics require good risk management. Please read the following article:

https://www.irmi.com/articles/expert-comme...ment-and-ethics

Hope this helps.
many thanks Rami,
I will read it.your support is every time very effective
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Dec 30, 2015 5:19 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Glad to hear so - It is always my pleasure to share all the knowledge in my pocket.
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 29, 2015 3:58 AM
Replying to Kiran Kumar
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Fosco, here are the 7 principles that Francis talks about
1. Dignity refers to treating each individual as an end rather than a means. This means respecting the interests of other.
2. Equitability is being just, fair and even-handed in decisions.
3. Prudence requires people to exercise a degree of judgement that makes a situation no worse, and applies when decisions must be made about recalling products that cause illness or are unsafe.
4. Honesty is reflected in straightforwardness, truthfulness and avoidance of lying, cheating or stealing.
5. Openness is about not concealing that which should be revealed.
6. Goodwill is about concern for others reflected in kindness and tolerance.
7. 'Avoidance of suffering' supports the view that pain and suffering should be prevented and alleviated arises in decisions about for example, the level of care and expense that should be invested in avoiding oil spills, avoiding production for chemical or biological warfare, or avoiding investment in some industries such as the tobacco industry.

I just quoted Francis (Australian professor) as I recently read his paper, but you could find similar references from other great minds. the 2 reference i have given below
1. Francis, R.D. 2000. Ethics and corporate governance: an Australian handbook. Sydney: Univ. of NSW Press
2. Francis, R.D. and Armstrong, A.F. 2000. `Can ethical commitment be gauged from company annual reports?’ Australian journal of professional and applied ethics. 2 1 54-60
thanks Kiram,
the 7 principles are very interesting and deserves a more deeply investigation.
Thanks for the references i will look for them.
Considering your first point in your original comment, I understand you consider the relationship between risk and ethic more as a connection between decisions and poor information than connection between decision and lack in strategy (due to no long therm vision). Am I right?
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 29, 2015 2:02 PM
Replying to Humberto Ramos
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Definitely there is a relationship between “bad Ethics” and “Poor RM”. If an organization is reluctant to implement Good RM practices, many times, subjacent root cause in bad ethics. With a “We do not need RM here because we trust people”, or “.. Because its cost is not justified”… there is actually fear to have bad behaviors uncovered.
However RM does not prevent or mitigate bad ethics by itself. Visualizing bad-ethics as a misconduct that need to be managed or mitigated is using a police-and-persecute approach. It does not work. In my Country there is a saying that states: “rule done, then workaround done”.
Bad ethics is confronted with transparency, good governance frameworks, training and setting examples from the top… independently of amplitude of vision
many thanks Humberto,
in my question I based my assertion in considering bad ethics involuntary (in some cases obviously) and depending from a lack of vision. from your words I understand you not consider this aspect as possible but you consider that the poor knowledge is intentionally used like alibi to cover voluntary behavior.
other request... puedes escribirme en castellano el dicho que citas?
muchas gracias
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 30, 2015 2:23 AM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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What a gem, thanks Kiran. There is so much quality work on ethics. It also kind of rolls into neuroscience. Have you read and Kahnmen?
thanks Steven;
may you share any references?
thanks
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Dec 30, 2015 10:25 PM
Steven Zachary
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Read or watch anything by Daniel Kahneman. You will not regret it.
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Dec 30, 2015 2:24 AM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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I would add removing incentives to act unethically, finding ways to reward ethical behavior and implementing metrics to track governance.
That sound good Steven,
and work well when people act badly intentionally. But do you think the unethical behavior could be due to poor analysis? and If you think in that manner how we can reduce this risk?
many thanks
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Dec 30, 2015 10:26 PM
Steven Zachary
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Hm... I'm not sure I follow this. Bad analysis? So you mean misinterpretation by the part of the reviewers?
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 30, 2015 4:37 PM
Replying to fosco frongia
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many thanks Rami,
I will read it.your support is every time very effective
Glad to hear so - It is always my pleasure to share all the knowledge in my pocket.
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Many thanks for it!
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Dec 30, 2015 5:28 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Anytime Fosco, just ask for it and you will get it.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 30, 2015 5:25 PM
Replying to fosco frongia
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Many thanks for it!
Anytime Fosco, just ask for it and you will get it.
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Many thanks,
The same from my part.
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Dec 30, 2015 4:59 PM
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thanks Steven;
may you share any references?
thanks
Read or watch anything by Daniel Kahneman. You will not regret it.
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