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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
since several weeks we are discussing about Ethics
It was commented that Ethics is influenced by culture and education.
Do you agree with this comment?
if you don't agree, may you explain why?
And in the case you agree, considering an international context, how we can "create" a common and accepted ethic code?
many thanks in advance for your contribution
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
thanks
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Jan 01, 2016 8:30 PM
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No problem Fosco, let me know if I can help in any other way.
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Jan 01, 2016 7:17 PM
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thanks
No problem Fosco, let me know if I can help in any other way.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 01, 2016 6:27 PM
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thanks Rami,
interesting your comment about the different relationship Ethics - Culture and Ethics - Education
Do you think Education is a complement of Culture in the Ethics surround?
Concerning the second part of your comment: you focus the theme in the cultural awareness, I agree, it is a fundamental element to create a common ethical code; but, if a part is predominant in a relationship (e.g. head quarters of a multi national enterprise), do you think this one could impose his ethical code and, in this case, how much will this one be accepted and respected?
Fosco,

I think they all compliment each other, like usually you say: Educate your people about culture.

On the second part, from my experience, they can impose their ethical code to a cetain limit and on certain things that are inter-company but when it comes to things that has to do with the culture of the country they are operating in, they have to follow that culture to avoid conflict and increased risk.
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2 replies by Steven Zachary and fosco frongia
Jan 02, 2016 11:07 AM
Steven Zachary
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I don't follow, are you coming at this from a project perspective?

What risk would occur by not complying with cultural norms.

Canada should be a prime example of this.
Jan 11, 2016 6:21 PM
fosco frongia
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thanks Rami,
I agree with you and this is the matter of my question: a common code cannot be imposed by the strongest group but it have to be accepted because is in syntony with the principles which guide every group.
In other words an Ethical code should be based on common principles because in this manner this code is OUR common code. Only in this manner we are morally engaged for respecting it.
It is very important for international companies which have to "survive" in international contexts.
But: what about the situation of an international company which working in another country realize that some rule in this country are against its principles or code?
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 01, 2016 6:27 PM
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thanks
You are most welcome.
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Jan 02, 2016 11:07 AM
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Rami, he was thanking me. Take your thank you back. ;)

I kid...I kid.
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 8:38 AM
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Fosco,

I think they all compliment each other, like usually you say: Educate your people about culture.

On the second part, from my experience, they can impose their ethical code to a cetain limit and on certain things that are inter-company but when it comes to things that has to do with the culture of the country they are operating in, they have to follow that culture to avoid conflict and increased risk.
I don't follow, are you coming at this from a project perspective?

What risk would occur by not complying with cultural norms.

Canada should be a prime example of this.
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2 replies by Rami Kaibni and fosco frongia
Jan 02, 2016 5:24 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Every country is a prime example. You need to follow the labor laws, hours, employment, purchasing procedures, contractual agreements and tailor them to accommodate your organization and the country you are operating from.

If you do not follow the labor law or working hours for the country you are operating in then you will end up penalized which might cause delays, etc. These are Risks !
Jan 11, 2016 6:31 PM
fosco frongia
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Hi Steven,
I agree with Rami, laws are influenced by culture too, remember racial laws in some countries
(e.g. in the past in South Africa) and some discriminating laws that you can found in other ones. The matter is: it is possible to go over these problems adopting a common, and accepted, code?
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 8:39 AM
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You are most welcome.
Rami, he was thanking me. Take your thank you back. ;)

I kid...I kid.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 02, 2016 5:22 PM
Rami Kaibni
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I replied to Fosco's thanks in reply to my message, not yours. Very Smart :D
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 11:07 AM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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Rami, he was thanking me. Take your thank you back. ;)

I kid...I kid.
I replied to Fosco's thanks in reply to my message, not yours. Very Smart :D
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Rami Kaibni
Community Champion
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 11:07 AM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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I don't follow, are you coming at this from a project perspective?

What risk would occur by not complying with cultural norms.

Canada should be a prime example of this.
Every country is a prime example. You need to follow the labor laws, hours, employment, purchasing procedures, contractual agreements and tailor them to accommodate your organization and the country you are operating from.

If you do not follow the labor law or working hours for the country you are operating in then you will end up penalized which might cause delays, etc. These are Risks !
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Ok....none of those are cultural?

Those are laws. The risk is non-compliance with laws.

You mentioned cultural?
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 03, 2016 6:36 AM
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Working Hours, Days, Labor Laws are all part of the culture.

Example 1: In the middle east, part of the religious culture is the Friday Prayer. Accordingly, thr official day off there is Friday. All other days are working days (Construction Projects there run 6 days a week except Friday). Being the case, part of the labor law is the working days / hours. It is all related to culture. In other countries like Canada, days off are Sat/Sun.

Example 2: Part of the culture in the middle east is to support local products / subcontractors so in all contracts, there is a clause that mentions this and states that if material was purchased from overseas with a price difference less than 20% of the local market then the Project will be penalized. You have to tailor your estimation to accompdate this requirement. In other countries, you are flexible to purchase from wherever the project finds it suitable and supports the project itself, not the local market.

You might not consider the above as cultural factors but I do because I know for a fact that they are strictly related to the culture.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 03, 2016 2:08 AM
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Ok....none of those are cultural?

Those are laws. The risk is non-compliance with laws.

You mentioned cultural?
Working Hours, Days, Labor Laws are all part of the culture.

Example 1: In the middle east, part of the religious culture is the Friday Prayer. Accordingly, thr official day off there is Friday. All other days are working days (Construction Projects there run 6 days a week except Friday). Being the case, part of the labor law is the working days / hours. It is all related to culture. In other countries like Canada, days off are Sat/Sun.

Example 2: Part of the culture in the middle east is to support local products / subcontractors so in all contracts, there is a clause that mentions this and states that if material was purchased from overseas with a price difference less than 20% of the local market then the Project will be penalized. You have to tailor your estimation to accompdate this requirement. In other countries, you are flexible to purchase from wherever the project finds it suitable and supports the project itself, not the local market.

You might not consider the above as cultural factors but I do because I know for a fact that they are strictly related to the culture.
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Jan 03, 2016 1:52 PM
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Both of the examples are still laws. They may be geographically specific, but it's more just "comply with local laws and regulations".

If an example was, it is offensive to wear orange but not illegal, that is cultural risk not identified in the legal risk with the risk register.

I'm focusing on the definitions of culture risk here, I acknowledge the examples above are risks if not identified. Otherwise they are typically identified and mitigated in the risk plan in Planning stage.

What are your thoughts Rami?
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