Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 01, 2016 4:52 PM
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Wait. You don't agree with me that you are wrong? ;)
You make me feel you are looking for a way to make me disagree with you - You got it: I disagree with you on this :-)
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Jan 01, 2016 6:54 PM
Steven Zachary
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I agree with you on this.
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Steven ZacharyDirector| Alberta Health ServicesCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Jan 01, 2016 5:09 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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You make me feel you are looking for a way to make me disagree with you - You got it: I disagree with you on this :-)
I agree with you on this.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 02, 2016 7:54 AM
Rami Kaibni
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I am glad we were able to finally agree on something :-)
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Badrinathan SeshadriSenior Project Manager| Service New BrunswickFredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Rami & Steven,
Thanks for your views. You both have put it in right way.
Here's my view.
If the PM has technical skills, it is better. The downside of it at times PM gets into the technical details and may lose focus on managing the project. If she/he is not technical but has strong technical team, PM may manage it better (not poking his nose with the technical team ;) ). As I understand, the environment also plays major role in deciding if the PM should have technical knowledge or not. What do you think about this?
Any other views from others?
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 02, 2016 8:03 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Badri,
I believe the PM should have enough technical skills (Not 100% Maybe) but he should not micromanage. If the PM has enough technical skills he need not neccessary interfere with everything because I would assume that a skillful PM would know that he should not micromanage. On the other hand, it will assist the PM in evaluating things more precisely especially risks when he has the right technical skills. This is my opinion based on my own experience. I am a civil engineer and I specialize in construction management so if you assign me to manage an IT project, I will manage it but not as efficient as I would if I had IT experience. One more thing worth mentioning, major part of the PM's influence is Expertise and ability to resolve conflict and this will increase his team respect and trust in him so what if a PM was in a situation to resolve a technical conflict or was asked by the client or his team something technical, do you think it is a good idea for him to amswer: I do not know, I am only here to manage ? Again, this is my opinion based on years of experience.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 7:43 AM
Replying to Badrinathan Seshadri
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Rami & Steven,
Thanks for your views. You both have put it in right way.
Here's my view.
If the PM has technical skills, it is better. The downside of it at times PM gets into the technical details and may lose focus on managing the project. If she/he is not technical but has strong technical team, PM may manage it better (not poking his nose with the technical team ;) ). As I understand, the environment also plays major role in deciding if the PM should have technical knowledge or not. What do you think about this?
Any other views from others?
Badri,
I believe the PM should have enough technical skills (Not 100% Maybe) but he should not micromanage. If the PM has enough technical skills he need not neccessary interfere with everything because I would assume that a skillful PM would know that he should not micromanage. On the other hand, it will assist the PM in evaluating things more precisely especially risks when he has the right technical skills. This is my opinion based on my own experience. I am a civil engineer and I specialize in construction management so if you assign me to manage an IT project, I will manage it but not as efficient as I would if I had IT experience. One more thing worth mentioning, major part of the PM's influence is Expertise and ability to resolve conflict and this will increase his team respect and trust in him so what if a PM was in a situation to resolve a technical conflict or was asked by the client or his team something technical, do you think it is a good idea for him to amswer: I do not know, I am only here to manage ? Again, this is my opinion based on years of experience.
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Jan 02, 2016 1:27 PM
Steven Zachary
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The IT aphorism doesn't work.
There are so many technologies and languages and software that the PM is rarely if ever a subject matter expert in the project they lead. That's why there are BAs and Architects.
The best talent can operate without needing perfect knowledge. When you model risk for instance, it's not a solo endeavor. You facilitate that work.
I would be interested in Badrinathan's idea of "technical skills". The thread seem to swing towards industry or domain.
Technical skills can mean so much: * Does it refer to project management technical skills? * Does it refer to industry technical skills? * Does it refer to product technical skills?
As an example, I am currently managing teams of Siebel CRM developers as part of Health Information Exchange call centers.
* I have a lot of project management technical skills: scheduling tools, estimating techniques, dashboard reporting * I have a lot of health care technical skills: industry-specific standards, regulations and challenges * I have a lot of software development technical skills: SDLC, development solutions, and configuration management * I have very little Siebel CRM technical skills
Do I feel that my lack of Siebel CRM technical skills impacts my ability to manage the team? Absolutely. Siebel is an ERP-type application that imposes processes on the development team. You need to understand these processes to be efficient.
Did I need those skills to start as the development team manager? No. I had sufficient management and other technical skills to allow me to be effective.
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2 replies by Rami Kaibni and Steven Zachary
Jan 02, 2016 1:26 PM
Steven Zachary
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Stephane,
This is exactly what I have been saying. Your management and other technical skills allowed you to be effective even though you weren't a Siebel SME.
This is with anything. It would be nice to have project managers experts in their projects but that approach is not flexible enough in the modern workforce.
Jan 02, 2016 5:10 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Stephane,
This is exactly what I am trying to say and I think he is referring to Industry Technical Skills and all my feedback was based on this.
No one can have all the Products Technical Experience but at least you should have the Industry technical experience in order to be able to manage efficiently. Every product is different than the other but at least you would have the basics in terms of technicalities in the industry besides your PM Skills so yes, you said that exactly right.
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Steven ZacharyDirector| Alberta Health ServicesCalgary, Alberta, Canada
I would be interested in Badrinathan's idea of "technical skills". The thread seem to swing towards industry or domain.
Technical skills can mean so much: * Does it refer to project management technical skills? * Does it refer to industry technical skills? * Does it refer to product technical skills?
As an example, I am currently managing teams of Siebel CRM developers as part of Health Information Exchange call centers.
* I have a lot of project management technical skills: scheduling tools, estimating techniques, dashboard reporting * I have a lot of health care technical skills: industry-specific standards, regulations and challenges * I have a lot of software development technical skills: SDLC, development solutions, and configuration management * I have very little Siebel CRM technical skills
Do I feel that my lack of Siebel CRM technical skills impacts my ability to manage the team? Absolutely. Siebel is an ERP-type application that imposes processes on the development team. You need to understand these processes to be efficient.
Did I need those skills to start as the development team manager? No. I had sufficient management and other technical skills to allow me to be effective.
Stephane,
This is exactly what I have been saying. Your management and other technical skills allowed you to be effective even though you weren't a Siebel SME.
This is with anything. It would be nice to have project managers experts in their projects but that approach is not flexible enough in the modern workforce. Saving Changes...
Steven ZacharyDirector| Alberta Health ServicesCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 8:03 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Badri,
I believe the PM should have enough technical skills (Not 100% Maybe) but he should not micromanage. If the PM has enough technical skills he need not neccessary interfere with everything because I would assume that a skillful PM would know that he should not micromanage. On the other hand, it will assist the PM in evaluating things more precisely especially risks when he has the right technical skills. This is my opinion based on my own experience. I am a civil engineer and I specialize in construction management so if you assign me to manage an IT project, I will manage it but not as efficient as I would if I had IT experience. One more thing worth mentioning, major part of the PM's influence is Expertise and ability to resolve conflict and this will increase his team respect and trust in him so what if a PM was in a situation to resolve a technical conflict or was asked by the client or his team something technical, do you think it is a good idea for him to amswer: I do not know, I am only here to manage ? Again, this is my opinion based on years of experience.
The IT aphorism doesn't work.
There are so many technologies and languages and software that the PM is rarely if ever a subject matter expert in the project they lead. That's why there are BAs and Architects.
The best talent can operate without needing perfect knowledge. When you model risk for instance, it's not a solo endeavor. You facilitate that work.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 02, 2016 5:07 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Steven, I gave the IT as an example. Please go back and read all my messages, I have been trying to say the same thing as Stephane is saying and I was referring to Industry Technical Skills, not product specific skills - Having the Industry Technical Skills is a must.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 1:27 PM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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The IT aphorism doesn't work.
There are so many technologies and languages and software that the PM is rarely if ever a subject matter expert in the project they lead. That's why there are BAs and Architects.
The best talent can operate without needing perfect knowledge. When you model risk for instance, it's not a solo endeavor. You facilitate that work.
Steven, I gave the IT as an example. Please go back and read all my messages, I have been trying to say the same thing as Stephane is saying and I was referring to Industry Technical Skills, not product specific skills - Having the Industry Technical Skills is a must.
Yet, you agree with him and disagree with me ! Saving Changes...