Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 11:26 AM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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I would be interested in Badrinathan's idea of "technical skills". The thread seem to swing towards industry or domain.
Technical skills can mean so much: * Does it refer to project management technical skills? * Does it refer to industry technical skills? * Does it refer to product technical skills?
As an example, I am currently managing teams of Siebel CRM developers as part of Health Information Exchange call centers.
* I have a lot of project management technical skills: scheduling tools, estimating techniques, dashboard reporting * I have a lot of health care technical skills: industry-specific standards, regulations and challenges * I have a lot of software development technical skills: SDLC, development solutions, and configuration management * I have very little Siebel CRM technical skills
Do I feel that my lack of Siebel CRM technical skills impacts my ability to manage the team? Absolutely. Siebel is an ERP-type application that imposes processes on the development team. You need to understand these processes to be efficient.
Did I need those skills to start as the development team manager? No. I had sufficient management and other technical skills to allow me to be effective.
Stephane,
This is exactly what I am trying to say and I think he is referring to Industry Technical Skills and all my feedback was based on this.
No one can have all the Products Technical Experience but at least you should have the Industry technical experience in order to be able to manage efficiently. Every product is different than the other but at least you would have the basics in terms of technicalities in the industry besides your PM Skills so yes, you said that exactly right. Saving Changes...
Steven ZacharyDirector| Alberta Health ServicesCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Well, first off my argument is with your premise and not you personally. So no need to get offended.I attack ideas and not people.
I really think you are missing the point between effectiveness and efficiency.
Nor do I think you and Stephane argument line up in the least? Your splitting hairs if you claim that.
In essence, I can drop an IT Manager on a construction project and he will be successful. He won't be as efficient as a Construction project manager, but so long as he has general project management skills he will be fine.
He does not need industry specific skills. That's pretty much what I'm gathering here. I don't agree with you because you are putting to much weight on the industry. I agree with Stephane because he puts weight on the foundational skills (scheduling...etc).
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 02, 2016 5:31 PM
Rami Kaibni
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I am not offended at all Steven, I know there is nothing personal. Maybe I did not reflect my idea properly but bottom line, I 100% agree with Stephane and I was trying (At least did my best) to convey the same idea but I admit, Stephane put it in a more comprehensive manner.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 5:25 PM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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Well, first off my argument is with your premise and not you personally. So no need to get offended.I attack ideas and not people.
I really think you are missing the point between effectiveness and efficiency.
Nor do I think you and Stephane argument line up in the least? Your splitting hairs if you claim that.
In essence, I can drop an IT Manager on a construction project and he will be successful. He won't be as efficient as a Construction project manager, but so long as he has general project management skills he will be fine.
He does not need industry specific skills. That's pretty much what I'm gathering here. I don't agree with you because you are putting to much weight on the industry. I agree with Stephane because he puts weight on the foundational skills (scheduling...etc).
I am not offended at all Steven, I know there is nothing personal. Maybe I did not reflect my idea properly but bottom line, I 100% agree with Stephane and I was trying (At least did my best) to convey the same idea but I admit, Stephane put it in a more comprehensive manner. Saving Changes...
Steven ZacharyDirector| Alberta Health ServicesCalgary, Alberta, Canada
And this is not to say that industry specific skills aren't extremely valuable. If you gain them, they will make you better at your job. But I've been in countless jobs where I am not an expert and through time, I've managed by working with great people and learning. Because I had foundations, I was able to succeed. The variance is in time to execute, cost to execute...etc (aka efficiency).
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 02, 2016 11:16 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Then I believe we are on the same line here. I've already mentioned, if you have them, they make you better but you should have at least the minimum.
Stephane said the same, he had the industry specific experience but not the program or project specific experience. Program experience you will manage to survive without it and you will get familiar during the cycle of the project but if you not have industry specific technical experience then for me, this is a problem, and sgain, I did not say you have to be an expert, but the minimum at least.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 5:34 PM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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And this is not to say that industry specific skills aren't extremely valuable. If you gain them, they will make you better at your job. But I've been in countless jobs where I am not an expert and through time, I've managed by working with great people and learning. Because I had foundations, I was able to succeed. The variance is in time to execute, cost to execute...etc (aka efficiency).
Then I believe we are on the same line here. I've already mentioned, if you have them, they make you better but you should have at least the minimum.
Stephane said the same, he had the industry specific experience but not the program or project specific experience. Program experience you will manage to survive without it and you will get familiar during the cycle of the project but if you not have industry specific technical experience then for me, this is a problem, and sgain, I did not say you have to be an expert, but the minimum at least.
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Jan 03, 2016 2:00 AM
Steven Zachary
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For the sake of not turning this thread into a novel, I am going to agree to disagree.
Yes, it is very much necessary for a PM to be technically proficient in using his Project Management skill sets. It is NOT mandatory to know the technical aspects of product or the rather the technical aspect of the system itself that is produced. It is good to know the technical aspects of product or system that’s produced if he/she has expertise in that domain, that should add-value, even if not, SMEs can play this role.
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Jan 03, 2016 1:59 AM
Steven Zachary
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Hi Sandilyan,
What do you think if the PM has strong technical project management skills, but little to no industry experience for his current project?
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Steven ZacharyDirector| Alberta Health ServicesCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Jan 03, 2016 12:58 AM
Replying to Sandilyan Ramadoss
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Yes, it is very much necessary for a PM to be technically proficient in using his Project Management skill sets. It is NOT mandatory to know the technical aspects of product or the rather the technical aspect of the system itself that is produced. It is good to know the technical aspects of product or system that’s produced if he/she has expertise in that domain, that should add-value, even if not, SMEs can play this role.
Hi Sandilyan,
What do you think if the PM has strong technical project management skills, but little to no industry experience for his current project?
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1 reply by Sandilyan Ramadoss
Jan 03, 2016 3:56 AM
Sandilyan Ramadoss
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I started as a core technical developer, then team lead and then was working as a project manager for various companies, in different domains and also had a IT firm of my own. To my knowledge and with the experience gained, I strongly agree that in order to successfully “Manage” the Project, it is fundamentally required to possess required project management skillsets, and is suffice to meet the requirements. I mean to emphasis the word “Management” here. So that, we know we manage and take the project in a way it is required to attain the goal.
PM if he/she could able to achieve the project objectives, it is then considered to be the job already accomplished. I had the way of thinking that the technical expertise of internal subject that being executed is required for a successful management, but later realized it was not the case, and it is not required also. A strong PM can align the way of execution or his planning based on different industries.
Any knowledge outside the management aspects and those called technical aspects, data, factors can be taken-up into consideration based on environmental factors and with the usage of SMEs. I’ve seen BAs and Technical Developers enter into to PM segment over a period of time, in this simple case, a BA doesn’t understand the coding aspect of the project but still he/she is able to manage the Project very well. This applies to any industry in general.
PMs can align the planning, management / execution based on different industries, we could also see some extensions from PMI that should help us achieve this. We all knew that we attain certain expertise on-job and same applies for fresh PM whatever path they take to reach this stage.
As long as PM possess strong project management skillsets to attain the “project objectives”, he/she can work on any industries and accomplish the job with little or no experience in the field.
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Steven ZacharyDirector| Alberta Health ServicesCalgary, Alberta, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 11:16 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Then I believe we are on the same line here. I've already mentioned, if you have them, they make you better but you should have at least the minimum.
Stephane said the same, he had the industry specific experience but not the program or project specific experience. Program experience you will manage to survive without it and you will get familiar during the cycle of the project but if you not have industry specific technical experience then for me, this is a problem, and sgain, I did not say you have to be an expert, but the minimum at least.
For the sake of not turning this thread into a novel, I am going to agree to disagree.
What do you think if the PM has strong technical project management skills, but little to no industry experience for his current project?
I started as a core technical developer, then team lead and then was working as a project manager for various companies, in different domains and also had a IT firm of my own. To my knowledge and with the experience gained, I strongly agree that in order to successfully “Manage” the Project, it is fundamentally required to possess required project management skillsets, and is suffice to meet the requirements. I mean to emphasis the word “Management” here. So that, we know we manage and take the project in a way it is required to attain the goal.
PM if he/she could able to achieve the project objectives, it is then considered to be the job already accomplished. I had the way of thinking that the technical expertise of internal subject that being executed is required for a successful management, but later realized it was not the case, and it is not required also. A strong PM can align the way of execution or his planning based on different industries.
Any knowledge outside the management aspects and those called technical aspects, data, factors can be taken-up into consideration based on environmental factors and with the usage of SMEs. I’ve seen BAs and Technical Developers enter into to PM segment over a period of time, in this simple case, a BA doesn’t understand the coding aspect of the project but still he/she is able to manage the Project very well. This applies to any industry in general.
PMs can align the planning, management / execution based on different industries, we could also see some extensions from PMI that should help us achieve this. We all knew that we attain certain expertise on-job and same applies for fresh PM whatever path they take to reach this stage.
As long as PM possess strong project management skillsets to attain the “project objectives”, he/she can work on any industries and accomplish the job with little or no experience in the field.
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2 replies by Rami Kaibni and Steven Zachary
Jan 03, 2016 6:05 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Sandilyan,
Very well stated. I agree with what you've mentioned above but I would like to add one thing. This also depends on the industry. For construction projects, being my field of expertise, this might work depending on the size of the project but I've never seen a PM assign to manage a construction project who has no techmical skills besides his management skills, as I said before, he need not be an expert, but the minimum technical expertise.
Jan 03, 2016 1:46 PM
Steven Zachary
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"As long as PM possess strong project management skill sets to attain the “project objectives”, he/she can work on any industries and accomplish the job with little or no experience in the field."
Exactly what Stephane and I have been saying. You hit it dead on.
The fundamentals have been built via cross-discipline best practices. I firmly agree with your premise.