Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Project manager is a role. You can find project manager roles inside the organizations that have been asigned to funcitonal people (it is a clasical situation when some orgnizations are in the process to implement some types of solutions like an ERP). The problem with this type of situations is about people who are assigned to the role can play the role or not from the point of view of skills in accordance with, as the PMI state (I am taking the PMI definition but you can take any other) to apply knwoledge, skills, tools and techniques to project activities to meet the project requirements, where that means the appropiated application and integration of the 47 process defined into the PMBOK Guide. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Hi Cheung,
From construction point of view, this could happen especially on large projects where there is 1 PM and multiple section managers as the project is divided into sections for easy managing (Each acting as a PM for a section of the project with their own estimates, budgets, control, etc) which are all fed into the main project frequently.
For small projects, there is usually 1 PM assigned.
On a side note, being a PMP holder does not mean you should be a Project Manager. You will be at some point depending on the organization but sometimes being a PMP, you do some tasks of the PM even if your not in a PM position. As I said, it all depends on the organizational structure. In some organizations, PM's are actually Project Coordinators or Expediters (Weak Matrix and Functional Organizations) Saving Changes...
I agree with Rami and Sergio, it does not matter if your job title is project manager or not. If you are dealing with work which has anything to do with a project, your involvement in any capacity will count towards your project experience. For a functional manager, this involvement could be part-time, while a formal project manager would be spending most of his time on the project, preferably all of it.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 10, 2016 3:59 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Totally agree, as he might be Controls Manager, Planning Manager, Procurement Manager and so on and it all counts. Having a PMP does not mean you will be definitely in the post of PM and you will one day.
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MAEN QADDOURAHProject Director| AJ SAUDIJeddah, Saudi Arabia
Some colleagues got PMP at an early stage of their career , 3 years of experience.But to be PM , considerable experience is needed. As a PMP ,this will give you distinction over others
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 09, 2016 11:17 PM
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Some colleagues got PMP at an early stage of their career , 3 years of experience.But to be PM , considerable experience is needed. As a PMP ,this will give you distinction over others
good luck.
I absolutely agree with you Maen. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 09, 2016 9:32 PM
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I agree with Rami and Sergio, it does not matter if your job title is project manager or not. If you are dealing with work which has anything to do with a project, your involvement in any capacity will count towards your project experience. For a functional manager, this involvement could be part-time, while a formal project manager would be spending most of his time on the project, preferably all of it.
Totally agree, as he might be Controls Manager, Planning Manager, Procurement Manager and so on and it all counts. Having a PMP does not mean you will be definitely in the post of PM and you will one day. Saving Changes...
This happens all the time. Just as anyone managing multiple projects does not have the designation of a Program Manager; not everyone leading a project may be designated as a Project Manager.
Project complexity, budget and organizational structure among many others are factors too.
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Victor AchimePrincipal Consultant| Slick Design KonsultIkorodu, Lagos State, Nigeria
I agree with all the submissions. Project Manager is by appointment for a project while holding PMP is a qualification which normally will enable you be appointed to play the role of Project Manager. A good organization will always put the round peg in a round hole for good project delivery. You must however be assigned PM responsibility to qualify for the PM of a project. Saving Changes...
PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHIGeneral Manager| Transrail Lighting LimitedNainital, Uttrakhand, India
Title doesn't matter. Sometime You work in PMO and not dedicated to any particular project. Saving Changes...
Bruce Wilkinson MBA, PMPExpert Project Manager / Trustworthy Executive Assistant / Business Coach| goBRUCE Business ServicesCuenca, Azuay, Ecuador
Good question Cheung. The PMP Handbook states "Consider all of the projects that you have worked on and identify how many hours you spent leading and directing the project." So from PMI's perspective, it doesn't matter what your job title was, if you were leading and directing, it counts as Project Management.
This was my experience as well. I worked under many job titles, but was actually managing projects. In this situation, the more you know about the "framework" and the various modalities of PM (AGILE, etc.), the more tools you will have to excel at your job.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 10, 2016 3:25 PM
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I totally agree with you Bruce and that's the right thing to do in order to become a solid PM.
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