J WalkerProject Manager| Corvesta, IncLynchburg, Va, United States
I am very interested in both topics and want to become very proficient at both aspects. There are some challenges... I am looking for input from others on how they have handled or suggestions. My goal is to eventually become a PMO leader (or business leader) and want to be able to develop well rounded PMs. Saving Changes...
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PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHIGeneral Manager| Transrail Lighting LimitedNainital, Uttrakhand, India
Change management can be done as a project if we fix some achievable targets/Milestones.
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1 reply by J Walker
Jan 14, 2016 1:14 PM
J Walker
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Thanks for the reply. I'm thinking that as a project leader, I have the best view and most information to drive change management. Although I may not have the time to lead the effort.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
If you are talking about Organizational Change Management then you have to include all related to it inside your project plan. If you are talking about to train your PM´s in Organizational Change Management discipline, while most of us perform those activities in the past, my recomendation is aviod it. Change Management people have diferent focus and mainly diferent skills than project managers. Business Analyst role is more close to change management people role (while I do not recomend to put the business analyst is that role if you can).
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Jan 14, 2016 1:18 PM
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I agree, that PMs perform much of this in the past. That's where I feel like improvement is needed. PMs have in my opinion the best view of the project and the impact. Could it be that the PM is perceived to be too busy to provide change management direction while in the present?
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J WalkerProject Manager| Corvesta, IncLynchburg, Va, United States
Jan 14, 2016 10:37 AM
Replying to PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHI
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Change management can be done as a project if we fix some achievable targets/Milestones.
Thanks for the reply. I'm thinking that as a project leader, I have the best view and most information to drive change management. Although I may not have the time to lead the effort. Saving Changes...
J WalkerProject Manager| Corvesta, IncLynchburg, Va, United States
Jan 14, 2016 10:43 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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If you are talking about Organizational Change Management then you have to include all related to it inside your project plan. If you are talking about to train your PM´s in Organizational Change Management discipline, while most of us perform those activities in the past, my recomendation is aviod it. Change Management people have diferent focus and mainly diferent skills than project managers. Business Analyst role is more close to change management people role (while I do not recomend to put the business analyst is that role if you can).
I agree, that PMs perform much of this in the past. That's where I feel like improvement is needed. PMs have in my opinion the best view of the project and the impact. Could it be that the PM is perceived to be too busy to provide change management direction while in the present? Saving Changes...
Let me establish the relation amongst Project Management, rather I would say Organizational Project Management (which includes Projects, Programs and Portfolios), and Organizational Change Management and Business Analysis. I agree with Sergio these are all separate specializations but in heart of their hearts, they are all related and connected. A project manager has a right to be exposed to all of them and be able to make the best decisions based on this knowledge. Organizational Project Management is all about change and is governed under the same Organizational Strategy which germinates Organizational Change Management. Business Analysis is the instrument connecting these two. If there is a change required at organizational level to satisfy the strategic needs, business analyst creates the business case and establishes the requirements. Once the change is justified through a feasibility and is agreed to be acted upon, that is the time the organizational project management comes into action. The programs realize benefits and projects deliver product, service or result, all in alignment with organizational strategy and objectives.
I do agree there are different scope and processes for Organizational Change Management, Business Analysis and Organizational Project Management, but the difference is not that wide as they all intersect each other at some point.
If the comments by Sergio are basically to avoid any confusion, I may agree with him but otherwise we cannot ignore the mutual relationship of three concepts.
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2 replies by J Walker and Rami Kaibni
Jan 14, 2016 3:09 PM
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While they are separate specializations, the two rely heavily on each other for success. Does the project management organizational structure create a different need for the PM? I can see where the two specializations could rely on one individual in a project oriented organization vs a matrix organization.
Jan 14, 2016 10:48 PM
Rami Kaibni
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I second Suhail's opinion - There is a strong mutual relationship between all which can't be ignored at all.
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J WalkerProject Manager| Corvesta, IncLynchburg, Va, United States
Jan 14, 2016 2:03 PM
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Let me establish the relation amongst Project Management, rather I would say Organizational Project Management (which includes Projects, Programs and Portfolios), and Organizational Change Management and Business Analysis. I agree with Sergio these are all separate specializations but in heart of their hearts, they are all related and connected. A project manager has a right to be exposed to all of them and be able to make the best decisions based on this knowledge. Organizational Project Management is all about change and is governed under the same Organizational Strategy which germinates Organizational Change Management. Business Analysis is the instrument connecting these two. If there is a change required at organizational level to satisfy the strategic needs, business analyst creates the business case and establishes the requirements. Once the change is justified through a feasibility and is agreed to be acted upon, that is the time the organizational project management comes into action. The programs realize benefits and projects deliver product, service or result, all in alignment with organizational strategy and objectives.
I do agree there are different scope and processes for Organizational Change Management, Business Analysis and Organizational Project Management, but the difference is not that wide as they all intersect each other at some point.
If the comments by Sergio are basically to avoid any confusion, I may agree with him but otherwise we cannot ignore the mutual relationship of three concepts.
While they are separate specializations, the two rely heavily on each other for success. Does the project management organizational structure create a different need for the PM? I can see where the two specializations could rely on one individual in a project oriented organization vs a matrix organization. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 14, 2016 2:03 PM
Replying to Suhail Iqbal
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Let me establish the relation amongst Project Management, rather I would say Organizational Project Management (which includes Projects, Programs and Portfolios), and Organizational Change Management and Business Analysis. I agree with Sergio these are all separate specializations but in heart of their hearts, they are all related and connected. A project manager has a right to be exposed to all of them and be able to make the best decisions based on this knowledge. Organizational Project Management is all about change and is governed under the same Organizational Strategy which germinates Organizational Change Management. Business Analysis is the instrument connecting these two. If there is a change required at organizational level to satisfy the strategic needs, business analyst creates the business case and establishes the requirements. Once the change is justified through a feasibility and is agreed to be acted upon, that is the time the organizational project management comes into action. The programs realize benefits and projects deliver product, service or result, all in alignment with organizational strategy and objectives.
I do agree there are different scope and processes for Organizational Change Management, Business Analysis and Organizational Project Management, but the difference is not that wide as they all intersect each other at some point.
If the comments by Sergio are basically to avoid any confusion, I may agree with him but otherwise we cannot ignore the mutual relationship of three concepts.
I second Suhail's opinion - There is a strong mutual relationship between all which can't be ignored at all. Saving Changes...
J WalkerProject Manager| Corvesta, IncLynchburg, Va, United States
I have been doing more research and I agree that there is a strong relationship between the two. The challenge is ... Who's handling the change management processes? The PM can do some but as I have come to understand, there is a parallel path for Change Management. How have you handled in previous projects? Saving Changes...